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	<title>Comments on: Pfizer Touts Good Data, Hides Bad Data</title>
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		<title>By: seroxat secrets&#8230; Pfizer and its lipitor study - lies or statistical error? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-14427</link>
		<dc:creator>seroxat secrets&#8230; Pfizer and its lipitor study - lies or statistical error? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Pfizer has been hiding negative data about Lipitor - thanks to CL PyschÂ  (and Ed Silverman at Pharmalot who was on the case first with this story way back on 14 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that Pfizer has been hiding negative data about Lipitor - thanks to CL PyschÂ  (and Ed Silverman at Pharmalot who was on the case first with this story way back on 14 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sarahparkin.com &#187; Burying Data, Chapter 317</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-13924</link>
		<dc:creator>sarahparkin.com &#187; Burying Data, Chapter 317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the sad yet unsurprising category, Ed at Pharmalot has two reports (1, 2) on Pfizer burying negative data about Lipitor. How would they do such a thing? Well, Pfizer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the sad yet unsurprising category, Ed at Pharmalot has two reports (1, 2) on Pfizer burying negative data about Lipitor. How would they do such a thing? Well, Pfizer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dr remulac</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-12644</link>
		<dc:creator>dr remulac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry put my name in the message - resend

Enjoyed your comments and your ethics. Since leaving big pharma i have been studying unscientific (and often outright falsehoods) marketing messages in cme programming. I have focused my energy on lipitor and pfizer funded cme and have been very disturbed by my findings at dinner meetings and online â€œeducational programsâ€. 

I believe the Alliance trial misanalysis is a related event in so far as its blatant disregard for science and patient centered interests. Dr. Vogel the author is one of the most extreme speakers in conveying biased off label messages in his cme speaches. Any interest in discussing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry put my name in the message - resend</p>
<p>Enjoyed your comments and your ethics. Since leaving big pharma i have been studying unscientific (and often outright falsehoods) marketing messages in cme programming. I have focused my energy on lipitor and pfizer funded cme and have been very disturbed by my findings at dinner meetings and online â€œeducational programsâ€. </p>
<p>I believe the Alliance trial misanalysis is a related event in so far as its blatant disregard for science and patient centered interests. Dr. Vogel the author is one of the most extreme speakers in conveying biased off label messages in his cme speaches. Any interest in discussing?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Remulac</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-8772</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Remulac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - I have a 20-year professional interest in promoting cardiovascular health and prevention.  I currently have no other conflicts of interest to disclose, other than a very minor stock position in one biotech company with a couple of compounds in their very early-stage pipeline dealing with lipid metabolism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason - I have a 20-year professional interest in promoting cardiovascular health and prevention.  I currently have no other conflicts of interest to disclose, other than a very minor stock position in one biotech company with a couple of compounds in their very early-stage pipeline dealing with lipid metabolism.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-8134</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Remulac - thanks for keeping them honest.  My question - do you have an interest in this outcome.  Everyone wants to be a good samaritan when it also coincides with what personally helps them.  I do the same in my job, just wondering if that is you case as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Remulac - thanks for keeping them honest.  My question - do you have an interest in this outcome.  Everyone wants to be a good samaritan when it also coincides with what personally helps them.  I do the same in my job, just wondering if that is you case as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Remulac</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-7396</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Remulac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investor-/public-relations people at any company are never big on trumpeting corrections or less-than-positive data, hence the sound of crickets chirping from Pfizer.  I agree that Pfizer has a "duty to warn" here given that they distributed this info widely via press release, and their own people were out making sure that their key customers knew about it.  They were leveraging this info primarily with their MCO/PBM customers.  Since I know my ethical colleagues at Pfizer won't do it, I have personally sent this correction to a number of my own contacts at major MCO/PBMs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investor-/public-relations people at any company are never big on trumpeting corrections or less-than-positive data, hence the sound of crickets chirping from Pfizer.  I agree that Pfizer has a &#8220;duty to warn&#8221; here given that they distributed this info widely via press release, and their own people were out making sure that their key customers knew about it.  They were leveraging this info primarily with their MCO/PBM customers.  Since I know my ethical colleagues at Pfizer won&#8217;t do it, I have personally sent this correction to a number of my own contacts at major MCO/PBMs!</p>
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		<title>By: Professional Guest</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-7394</link>
		<dc:creator>Professional Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physician referral networks may be an issue worthy of examination, but Ed's bit about Pfizer - the one that kicked off all these comments - is about the fact that Pfizer chose not to report relevant results to everyone who might be affected by those results.

By now, everyone knows that the distribution lists for positive and less than positive data on a branded statin were quite different.

Seems to me that the guys who aren't "very good physicians" are at least as much in need of outcomes data as the SEC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physician referral networks may be an issue worthy of examination, but Ed&#8217;s bit about Pfizer - the one that kicked off all these comments - is about the fact that Pfizer chose not to report relevant results to everyone who might be affected by those results.</p>
<p>By now, everyone knows that the distribution lists for positive and less than positive data on a branded statin were quite different.</p>
<p>Seems to me that the guys who aren&#8217;t &#8220;very good physicians&#8221; are at least as much in need of outcomes data as the SEC.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I give you that pharma wants to put their best face forward.  I also give you it is wrong and deserves more oversight and penalties for bad behavior.

I keep hearing how docs will bend over backward to reward big pharma for the $5 sandwich they grabbed while saying hello over a 3 minute lunch.  I am in the health care industry and I witnessed something very interesting over the holidays.  A specialist (oncology) gave $500 wine baskets to his approx. 50 referring physicians.  Now, everyone with any medical background would widely attest that he was not a good physician medically.  He was very engaging and pleasant.  So even if you got poor care, you didn't know better and he seemed concerned.  So you were willing to look past and forgive.  No one should ever refer a patient to him and he had a thriving practice, I saw many sad stories come out of his office.  So there is influence in all areas of life.  Everyone wants to do well and make money - even bad physicians.

If you think that the occasional lunch has more influence than $500 of wine from a specialist than I don't understand it.  This is little publicized -- PC physicians are not running out to report it.  They feel entitled because they know they make less than specialists and feel entitled to some of what the oncologist's make.  Specialists are not the target of the press, they are not the bad guy everyone wants.

So instead of considering who brought your physician lunch when you get a script, think long and hard about the specialist they refer you to and why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I give you that pharma wants to put their best face forward.  I also give you it is wrong and deserves more oversight and penalties for bad behavior.</p>
<p>I keep hearing how docs will bend over backward to reward big pharma for the $5 sandwich they grabbed while saying hello over a 3 minute lunch.  I am in the health care industry and I witnessed something very interesting over the holidays.  A specialist (oncology) gave $500 wine baskets to his approx. 50 referring physicians.  Now, everyone with any medical background would widely attest that he was not a good physician medically.  He was very engaging and pleasant.  So even if you got poor care, you didn&#8217;t know better and he seemed concerned.  So you were willing to look past and forgive.  No one should ever refer a patient to him and he had a thriving practice, I saw many sad stories come out of his office.  So there is influence in all areas of life.  Everyone wants to do well and make money - even bad physicians.</p>
<p>If you think that the occasional lunch has more influence than $500 of wine from a specialist than I don&#8217;t understand it.  This is little publicized &#8212; PC physicians are not running out to report it.  They feel entitled because they know they make less than specialists and feel entitled to some of what the oncologist&#8217;s make.  Specialists are not the target of the press, they are not the bad guy everyone wants.</p>
<p>So instead of considering who brought your physician lunch when you get a script, think long and hard about the specialist they refer you to and why.</p>
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		<title>By: EEJ</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-7238</link>
		<dc:creator>EEJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melody, it's not that people don't like big pharma (although some don't) but rather that we are wary of them. 

There are some great people working for Big Pharma, but not all of them are concerned with the patient, unless it directly relates to business P &#38; L. 

I've worked with plenty of people in the industry that have probably forgotten that it the whole point is to sell EFFECTIVE products to patients who need them, rather than just selling widgets like any other manufacturer. 

DTC ads are a problem, in my view, because the average US citizen isn't as smart as everyone makes ourselves out to be. 

Sure, there are plenty of us who are intelligent, but do you really think the average person should be deciding which medication to use based on Advertising??

Granted, back to the original article, it's not as if Big Pharma is the only industry using this type of Shout/Whisper tactic; have you ever noticed how small the corrections section of published materials is? It's not because they are concerned with getting the correct information to their readers......

However, this is my personal health (and everyone else's) that we are discussing here, and Big Pharma should certainly be held to a higher standard than any other industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melody, it&#8217;s not that people don&#8217;t like big pharma (although some don&#8217;t) but rather that we are wary of them. </p>
<p>There are some great people working for Big Pharma, but not all of them are concerned with the patient, unless it directly relates to business P &amp; L. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked with plenty of people in the industry that have probably forgotten that it the whole point is to sell EFFECTIVE products to patients who need them, rather than just selling widgets like any other manufacturer. </p>
<p>DTC ads are a problem, in my view, because the average US citizen isn&#8217;t as smart as everyone makes ourselves out to be. </p>
<p>Sure, there are plenty of us who are intelligent, but do you really think the average person should be deciding which medication to use based on Advertising??</p>
<p>Granted, back to the original article, it&#8217;s not as if Big Pharma is the only industry using this type of Shout/Whisper tactic; have you ever noticed how small the corrections section of published materials is? It&#8217;s not because they are concerned with getting the correct information to their readers&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>However, this is my personal health (and everyone else&#8217;s) that we are discussing here, and Big Pharma should certainly be held to a higher standard than any other industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Mann</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/pfizer-touts-good-data-hides-bad-data/#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

I totally agree with you that they should have issued a press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I totally agree with you that they should have issued a press release.</p>
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