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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: On Pharma</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-79236</link>
		<dc:creator>On Pharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Pharmalot&#8217;s Ed Silverman, for pointing outÂ the new website, Big Pharma Real People (click here to access and here for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Pharmalot&#8217;s Ed Silverman, for pointing outÂ the new website, Big Pharma Real People (click here to access and here for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-62750</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I know.  Which is exactly why I brought his name up in the first place in relation to BigPharmaRealPeople?  Its just a difference in the way we express things, thats all, and that difference is probably bigger due to different nationalities. 

Perhaps I should have suggested Thomas Laughren instead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I know.  Which is exactly why I brought his name up in the first place in relation to BigPharmaRealPeople?  Its just a difference in the way we express things, thats all, and that difference is probably bigger due to different nationalities. </p>
<p>Perhaps I should have suggested Thomas Laughren instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-62679</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pg

Its not in my nature to read between the lines. Peter Pitts was among those Industry Apologists at FDA who chose to stay silent while tens of thousands of children were being maimed and killed due to the side effects of antidepressants.</description>
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<p>Its not in my nature to read between the lines. Peter Pitts was among those Industry Apologists at FDA who chose to stay silent while tens of thousands of children were being maimed and killed due to the side effects of antidepressants.</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-62655</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, if you read between the lines I was saying that, as in:  "..(or more realistically someone who benefits from purporting that â€˜beliefâ€™)".  We're from different countries, different ways of writing things, but yes - Peter Pitts is well aware of what he's doing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, if you read between the lines I was saying that, as in:  &#8220;..(or more realistically someone who benefits from purporting that â€˜beliefâ€™)&#8221;.  We&#8217;re from different countries, different ways of writing things, but yes - Peter Pitts is well aware of what he&#8217;s doing. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-61873</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pg,

Peter Pitts isnt "Gullible". He just knows what side his bread is buttered on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pg,</p>
<p>Peter Pitts isnt &#8220;Gullible&#8221;. He just knows what side his bread is buttered on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sea</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-61611</link>
		<dc:creator>sea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One hopes they pause long enough to wipe the spittle from their lips and invest in an editor who will actually edit the articles.  Grammar, punctuation and spelling really are so important when one has a point to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One hopes they pause long enough to wipe the spittle from their lips and invest in an editor who will actually edit the articles.  Grammar, punctuation and spelling really are so important when one has a point to make.</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-60175</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BigPharmaRealPeople...

It wouldn't be run by Peter Pitts - drugwonks.com -  a real person, former FDA man and possibly the last utterly gullible human being on earth who remains convinced that Big Pharma are honest (or more realistically someone who benefits from purporting that 'belief') ...

would it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigPharmaRealPeople&#8230;</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be run by Peter Pitts - drugwonks.com -  a real person, former FDA man and possibly the last utterly gullible human being on earth who remains convinced that Big Pharma are honest (or more realistically someone who benefits from purporting that &#8216;belief&#8217;) &#8230;</p>
<p>would it?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-59693</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Some of these threads sitting around the living room like opened toys.  That's good!  Merry X'Mas, everyone.

James, if you're out there - I agree that Conglomerate (let's call them that, rather than "Big") Pharma likes regulation when they can control it.  That is the situation today, as it has been at least since Kessler, and really before that.  Again, I refer you to the Goddard era to suggest a different version of the relationship between FDA and pharma (small and large).  In those days, you could see a much clearer differntiation between those companies that were _both_ highly competitive and also highly committed to rational safety standards (reinforced by FDA), and those who were not.  

They believed, as you suggest, that the the good guys would also do better in the market, and they didn't mind the FDA policing the others - for ethical as well as financial interests.

In more recent years, what's been interesting is to see former radical deregulators become "agency rules" (preemptors) once they can control the agency.  I hope their godfather Milton Friedman, if not Ayn Rand, would turn in his grave.  But I'm not sure he/they would.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Some of these threads sitting around the living room like opened toys.  That&#8217;s good!  Merry X&#8217;Mas, everyone.</p>
<p>James, if you&#8217;re out there - I agree that Conglomerate (let&#8217;s call them that, rather than &#8220;Big&#8221;) Pharma likes regulation when they can control it.  That is the situation today, as it has been at least since Kessler, and really before that.  Again, I refer you to the Goddard era to suggest a different version of the relationship between FDA and pharma (small and large).  In those days, you could see a much clearer differntiation between those companies that were _both_ highly competitive and also highly committed to rational safety standards (reinforced by FDA), and those who were not.  </p>
<p>They believed, as you suggest, that the the good guys would also do better in the market, and they didn&#8217;t mind the FDA policing the others - for ethical as well as financial interests.</p>
<p>In more recent years, what&#8217;s been interesting is to see former radical deregulators become &#8220;agency rules&#8221; (preemptors) once they can control the agency.  I hope their godfather Milton Friedman, if not Ayn Rand, would turn in his grave.  But I&#8217;m not sure he/they would.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holford</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-58115</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

"...Which goes back to my original thesisâ€“Big Pharma would not want Objectivists making the rules."

What the Worshipful Company (my nickname for the pharmaceutical industry) doesn't want is anybody, irrespective of who or what they are, enforcing the rules that are already there.  The stuff that goes down goes down because there is a culture of blind eye in operation at pretty much every level, as far as I can see, but certainly when it comes to regulation.

There is sufficient legislation to undermine the quackery that passes as science, but nobody appears to be interested in enforcing it.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Which goes back to my original thesisâ€“Big Pharma would not want Objectivists making the rules.&#8221;</p>
<p>What the Worshipful Company (my nickname for the pharmaceutical industry) doesn&#8217;t want is anybody, irrespective of who or what they are, enforcing the rules that are already there.  The stuff that goes down goes down because there is a culture of blind eye in operation at pretty much every level, as far as I can see, but certainly when it comes to regulation.</p>
<p>There is sufficient legislation to undermine the quackery that passes as science, but nobody appears to be interested in enforcing it.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/12/big-pharma-real-people-phony-website/#comment-57914</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank, the supports for your argument do nothing to illustrate that government regulation makes drugs safer.  You are merely showing that Big Pharma wants regulation as it exists.  The regulations in place, specifically GMPs, benefit Big Pharma by a) having very little actual teeth in practice, and b) serving to keep smaller players from making large leaps in the marketplace.  This, again, is the reasons why, imho, Big Pharma supported the application of GMPs to compounders.

In the event you haven't read Atlas Shrugged, Hank, I recommend doing so.  In the book, some businesspeople supported being regulated because it meant they did not have to compete in the marketplace--it kept the rich and powerful rich and powerful.  Less regulation often = greater competition.

Which goes back to my original thesis--Big Pharma would not want Objectivists making the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank, the supports for your argument do nothing to illustrate that government regulation makes drugs safer.  You are merely showing that Big Pharma wants regulation as it exists.  The regulations in place, specifically GMPs, benefit Big Pharma by a) having very little actual teeth in practice, and b) serving to keep smaller players from making large leaps in the marketplace.  This, again, is the reasons why, imho, Big Pharma supported the application of GMPs to compounders.</p>
<p>In the event you haven&#8217;t read Atlas Shrugged, Hank, I recommend doing so.  In the book, some businesspeople supported being regulated because it meant they did not have to compete in the marketplace&#8211;it kept the rich and powerful rich and powerful.  Less regulation often = greater competition.</p>
<p>Which goes back to my original thesis&#8211;Big Pharma would not want Objectivists making the rules.</p>
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