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	<title>Comments on: US Supreme Court: No Review Of Experimental Meds</title>
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		<title>By: Seditta</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/01/us-supreme-court-no-review-of-experimental-meds/#comment-215620</link>
		<dc:creator>Seditta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its amazing how short our memory is. Pre FDA, many people suffer from dangerous drugs, even recently we experience what can happen when a drug have serious side effects--the Vioxx, celebrex, crestor, bextra, just to name a few on te list of dangerous drugs approved by FDA and later had to be recalled. Aren't we a litigious society? All of a sudden when it pleases us, it is OK for the government to loosen the reigns on drug regulation? Think about. Who will be responsible for the manufacture and distribution and protection of these people? we live in a get rich quick society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its amazing how short our memory is. Pre FDA, many people suffer from dangerous drugs, even recently we experience what can happen when a drug have serious side effects&#8211;the Vioxx, celebrex, crestor, bextra, just to name a few on te list of dangerous drugs approved by FDA and later had to be recalled. Aren&#8217;t we a litigious society? All of a sudden when it pleases us, it is OK for the government to loosen the reigns on drug regulation? Think about. Who will be responsible for the manufacture and distribution and protection of these people? we live in a get rich quick society.</p>
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		<title>By: softwareNerd</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/01/us-supreme-court-no-review-of-experimental-meds/#comment-155918</link>
		<dc:creator>softwareNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government is way out of bounds when it bans drugs. It is one thing to ensure a patient's informed consent, but quite another to actually ban a drug.

A patient's life belongs to the patient, not to the government. The ultimate decision must be in the hands of the patient. It is terrible that the SCOTUS judges do not understand the basic concept of individual rights, and the right to one's life. 

As another blogger said, &lt;a href="http://crucibleandcolumn.blogspot.com/2007/10/legalize-drugs-now.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Legalize Drug (medical drugs) now!"&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government is way out of bounds when it bans drugs. It is one thing to ensure a patient&#8217;s informed consent, but quite another to actually ban a drug.</p>
<p>A patient&#8217;s life belongs to the patient, not to the government. The ultimate decision must be in the hands of the patient. It is terrible that the SCOTUS judges do not understand the basic concept of individual rights, and the right to one&#8217;s life. </p>
<p>As another blogger said, <a href="http://crucibleandcolumn.blogspot.com/2007/10/legalize-drugs-now.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Legalize Drug (medical drugs) now!&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drug Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/01/us-supreme-court-no-review-of-experimental-meds/#comment-96351</link>
		<dc:creator>Drug Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Supreme Court: No Review in Abigail Alliance...&lt;/strong&gt;

Pharmalot notes that the Supreme Court has decided not to grant cert on the Abigail Alliance case, which had to do with terminally ill people's right to access experimental drugs. Seems like a shame to me, because I think it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Supreme Court: No Review in Abigail Alliance&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Pharmalot notes that the Supreme Court has decided not to grant cert on the Abigail Alliance case, which had to do with terminally ill people&#8217;s right to access experimental drugs. Seems like a shame to me, because I think it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/01/us-supreme-court-no-review-of-experimental-meds/#comment-96290</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it noteworthy that the FDA in 2006 published two proposed rules--one to allow expanded access to drugs in Phase I and even earlier studies, and one to allow drug companies to charge for this expanded access:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/rules/expandind.htm

Funny how we haven't (at least I haven't) heard anything new since then, even though these proposed rules were issued more than a year ago.

Of course, considering Part 11 still remains unrevised (despite FDA saying it would be done in 2005), aspects of PDUFA III remain unfulfilled, et al, I guess it's no surprise.

Seems the FDA would do well to read the Peanut Butter Manifesto: 

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116379821933826657-0mbjXoHnQwDMFH_PVeb_jqe3Chk_20061125.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it noteworthy that the FDA in 2006 published two proposed rules&#8211;one to allow expanded access to drugs in Phase I and even earlier studies, and one to allow drug companies to charge for this expanded access:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/cber/rules/expandind.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/cber/rules/expandind.htm</a></p>
<p>Funny how we haven&#8217;t (at least I haven&#8217;t) heard anything new since then, even though these proposed rules were issued more than a year ago.</p>
<p>Of course, considering Part 11 still remains unrevised (despite FDA saying it would be done in 2005), aspects of PDUFA III remain unfulfilled, et al, I guess it&#8217;s no surprise.</p>
<p>Seems the FDA would do well to read the Peanut Butter Manifesto: </p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116379821933826657-0mbjXoHnQwDMFH_PVeb_jqe3Chk_20061125.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116379821933826657-0mbjXoHnQwDMFH_PVeb_jqe3Chk_20061125.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, my wife was born and raised in Italy.  Great people who don't like to be governed and go to great lenght to game the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, my wife was born and raised in Italy.  Great people who don&#8217;t like to be governed and go to great lenght to game the system.</p>
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		<title>By: phil_vardena (Pharm. D.)</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil_vardena (Pharm. D.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, and anyone else.
While I stand by my earlier post, I also want to make it clear that I admire the U.S people.

I travelled the USA a lot, talked to people, made friends.
The USA are a great country. Americans are nice and friendly people. It's its ruling class that leaves much to be desired - and its obsession to rule the world.

I acknowledge this comment is way OT, and I'll stop here.

Very kind regards,
phil

PS. phil is from Italy, another country with great people and a very bad ruling class. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, and anyone else.<br />
While I stand by my earlier post, I also want to make it clear that I admire the U.S people.</p>
<p>I travelled the USA a lot, talked to people, made friends.<br />
The USA are a great country. Americans are nice and friendly people. It&#8217;s its ruling class that leaves much to be desired - and its obsession to rule the world.</p>
<p>I acknowledge this comment is way OT, and I&#8217;ll stop here.</p>
<p>Very kind regards,<br />
phil</p>
<p>PS. phil is from Italy, another country with great people and a very bad ruling class. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, one of the constraints on a company's ability to provide drugs in clinical trials to patients outside the trial is the availability of supply.  CThey only manufactuer enough drug doses for the trails and manufacturing is done from a pilot plant, not a full-blown manufacturing site.  

There are regulatory provisions to allow drugs to be supplied to critically ill patients for which no  alternative is available and the company is allowed to charge the patient on a cost-plus basis.  ( A physician should apply for what's known as a Treatment IND from the FDA)

Still, the manufacturing capabilities are extremely limited at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, one of the constraints on a company&#8217;s ability to provide drugs in clinical trials to patients outside the trial is the availability of supply.  CThey only manufactuer enough drug doses for the trails and manufacturing is done from a pilot plant, not a full-blown manufacturing site.  </p>
<p>There are regulatory provisions to allow drugs to be supplied to critically ill patients for which no  alternative is available and the company is allowed to charge the patient on a cost-plus basis.  ( A physician should apply for what&#8217;s known as a Treatment IND from the FDA)</p>
<p>Still, the manufacturing capabilities are extremely limited at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, and anyone else. Time to take a serious look at the concept of the "authoritarian" personality and it/their function/ing in human societies in general and the U.S. today.

John Dean apparently has written about this in his recent book "Conservatives Without Conscience." I have not read his book but am familiar with some of the research on the subject, plus the book which originated the concept. With which I essentially agree.

I saw Dean on CSpan recently and everything he said 'rang true' hence my decision to bring this up. With morbid fascination, sadness and alarm I have watched this socio-cultural-political debacle forming for more than twenty years.

The Court decision is simply one more manifestation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, and anyone else. Time to take a serious look at the concept of the &#8220;authoritarian&#8221; personality and it/their function/ing in human societies in general and the U.S. today.</p>
<p>John Dean apparently has written about this in his recent book &#8220;Conservatives Without Conscience.&#8221; I have not read his book but am familiar with some of the research on the subject, plus the book which originated the concept. With which I essentially agree.</p>
<p>I saw Dean on CSpan recently and everything he said &#8216;rang true&#8217; hence my decision to bring this up. With morbid fascination, sadness and alarm I have watched this socio-cultural-political debacle forming for more than twenty years.</p>
<p>The Court decision is simply one more manifestation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I have a lot of sympathy people who want to try experimental treatments, it's not at all clear that pharmaceutical companies would even provide the drug to those patients desiring it.  The patient population wanting the drug would be extreamly small, and even with very high prices, the pharma companies are likely to loose money by providing the drugs.  Think about all these issues:

1) Who is responsible and what would happen if the patient died due to a drug reaction?
2) What happens to the results?  In other words, does "curing" a patient in this highly uncontroled environment constitute proof that the drug works?  Most likely the patient will die -- giving the impression that the drug does not work.  Is that somehow incorporated into future FDA filings as a "risk"?
3) What formulation would the drug be provided in?  What dose should be used?  Translation of animal results into human results is plauged with problems.
4) What should the pharma company charge?  Given that the market is only a few patients, the "real" cost is likely to easily be in hundreds of thousands of dollars for a treatment.  What if the patients can't afford it?


Given all these questions (and more that I can't think of at the moment), I seriously doubt that pharma companies would be even willing to sell experimental drugs to patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have a lot of sympathy people who want to try experimental treatments, it&#8217;s not at all clear that pharmaceutical companies would even provide the drug to those patients desiring it.  The patient population wanting the drug would be extreamly small, and even with very high prices, the pharma companies are likely to loose money by providing the drugs.  Think about all these issues:</p>
<p>1) Who is responsible and what would happen if the patient died due to a drug reaction?<br />
2) What happens to the results?  In other words, does &#8220;curing&#8221; a patient in this highly uncontroled environment constitute proof that the drug works?  Most likely the patient will die &#8212; giving the impression that the drug does not work.  Is that somehow incorporated into future FDA filings as a &#8220;risk&#8221;?<br />
3) What formulation would the drug be provided in?  What dose should be used?  Translation of animal results into human results is plauged with problems.<br />
4) What should the pharma company charge?  Given that the market is only a few patients, the &#8220;real&#8221; cost is likely to easily be in hundreds of thousands of dollars for a treatment.  What if the patients can&#8217;t afford it?</p>
<p>Given all these questions (and more that I can&#8217;t think of at the moment), I seriously doubt that pharma companies would be even willing to sell experimental drugs to patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just further Proof that Al-Queda has WON the WAR! For they are in FULL control of the U.S. Goverment. Pick ANY Agency and see the Corruption for Yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just further Proof that Al-Queda has WON the WAR! For they are in FULL control of the U.S. Goverment. Pick ANY Agency and see the Corruption for Yourself!</p>
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