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	<title>Comments on: FDA Policy On Journal Reprints: Good Or Bad?</title>
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		<title>By: Jack2</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-167804</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guidance specifies that:

A scientific or medical reference publication that is distributed should not be...edited or significantly influenced by a drug or device manufacturer or any individuals having a financial relationship with the manufacturer. 


To me, that really reduces the number of possible trials, since the manufacturer sponsers most of the publications about their drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guidance specifies that:</p>
<p>A scientific or medical reference publication that is distributed should not be&#8230;edited or significantly influenced by a drug or device manufacturer or any individuals having a financial relationship with the manufacturer. </p>
<p>To me, that really reduces the number of possible trials, since the manufacturer sponsers most of the publications about their drug.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-166488</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not to take time to review all of the above comments, so if I'm duplicating whatever may have been said, my apologies in advance.

Being an experienced pharma rep, I'm well aware that many of not most studies generated by pharma companies are extremenly biased for a variety of reasons, which include financial incentives and statical gymnastics, all with the intent to grow the market share of a particular drug.  So, as cynical as it may seem, any off label clinical trial should continued to be questioned for it's authenticity, for the benefit of the patients  'Nuff said.  And this stance proposed includes even those studies that exist with pharm studies for on label indications as well.

My opinion, it's a big and serious problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not to take time to review all of the above comments, so if I&#8217;m duplicating whatever may have been said, my apologies in advance.</p>
<p>Being an experienced pharma rep, I&#8217;m well aware that many of not most studies generated by pharma companies are extremenly biased for a variety of reasons, which include financial incentives and statical gymnastics, all with the intent to grow the market share of a particular drug.  So, as cynical as it may seem, any off label clinical trial should continued to be questioned for it&#8217;s authenticity, for the benefit of the patients  &#8216;Nuff said.  And this stance proposed includes even those studies that exist with pharm studies for on label indications as well.</p>
<p>My opinion, it&#8217;s a big and serious problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-166110</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historical point - I think the language about "adequate and well-controlled studies," etc. goes back to the Kefauver-Harris amendments passed after thalidomide.  It took FDA and industry a while to sort through what that meant, and the emphasis on RCTS in trial requirements came along.

This latest "rule" by FDA seeks to go backward in that respect, using language that sounds reasonable to the uniformed, but is actually fifty years out of date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historical point - I think the language about &#8220;adequate and well-controlled studies,&#8221; etc. goes back to the Kefauver-Harris amendments passed after thalidomide.  It took FDA and industry a while to sort through what that meant, and the emphasis on RCTS in trial requirements came along.</p>
<p>This latest &#8220;rule&#8221; by FDA seeks to go backward in that respect, using language that sounds reasonable to the uniformed, but is actually fifty years out of date.</p>
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		<title>By: EEJ</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-165867</link>
		<dc:creator>EEJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so the rep provides information about a product regarding "unapproved uses". 

Because they are unapproved uses, they aren't listed on the label of the product (or attached PI), right?

So how does this "safeguard against off-label promotions"?

It sounds to me as if this policy does exactly the opposite. 

I think the more doctors that agree to abolish sales representatives from their office, the better! (and this coming from someone whose paycheck depends on big pharma!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so the rep provides information about a product regarding &#8220;unapproved uses&#8221;. </p>
<p>Because they are unapproved uses, they aren&#8217;t listed on the label of the product (or attached PI), right?</p>
<p>So how does this &#8220;safeguard against off-label promotions&#8221;?</p>
<p>It sounds to me as if this policy does exactly the opposite. </p>
<p>I think the more doctors that agree to abolish sales representatives from their office, the better! (and this coming from someone whose paycheck depends on big pharma!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-165776</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guy,

I understand your point and someone else also raised this, but it would be helpful if the guidance were specific by saying "randomized controlled clinical trials," and not leave this open to interpretation or wiggle room. If the final guidance nails this down more specifically, that would be a good thing. And maybe that will happen, given that the 60-day comment period has begun.

Regards
ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guy,</p>
<p>I understand your point and someone else also raised this, but it would be helpful if the guidance were specific by saying &#8220;randomized controlled clinical trials,&#8221; and not leave this open to interpretation or wiggle room. If the final guidance nails this down more specifically, that would be a good thing. And maybe that will happen, given that the 60-day comment period has begun.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
ed</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-165753</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharmalot,

Your article states: "Instead, the proposal says studies should be 'adequate and well-controlled clinical investigations that are considered scientifically sound by experts with scientific training.' This opens the door to seeding trials, which encourage off-label usage.  Why? These are small trials that lack control groups..."

There's a contradiction between the proposal and your interpretation.  The proposal says studies should be "well-controlled".  Small trials that lack control groups are not well-controlled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmalot,</p>
<p>Your article states: &#8220;Instead, the proposal says studies should be &#8216;adequate and well-controlled clinical investigations that are considered scientifically sound by experts with scientific training.&#8217; This opens the door to seeding trials, which encourage off-label usage.  Why? These are small trials that lack control groups&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a contradiction between the proposal and your interpretation.  The proposal says studies should be &#8220;well-controlled&#8221;.  Small trials that lack control groups are not well-controlled.</p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-165509</link>
		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Publishing and conducting Clinical trials results and scientific/medical information doesn't fall under the category of "Freedom of Speech".  In fact, I would like to further point out that Freedom of Speech does not tie into anywhere in the business of health care.

As to your question about undermining doctors....  In an article by Trudo Lemmens, LicIur, LLM (Bioethics); Peter A. Singer, MD an earlier study by Avorn was cited in which doctors erroneously thought that their knowledge of two specific drugs was based on scientific knowledge.  However, it was shown that their thinking was much more in line with deceptive marketing advertisements....

Why is that? Because Doctors are busy and sometimes (but thankfully not always) they listen to what the rep has to say and they skim these articles for the "highlights".

In general these guidance rules are fairly good.

Hopefully the savvy patient will know they are being treated off-label and it would be wonderful if the good doctor would provide the patient with access to the study.  

At the end of the day the drug has got to stand on it's own.    I think it is particularly great if each and every published paper carried a full disclosure stating that the article was not "ghost written" or "co-authored" by anyone other than the original P.I.  It would be really awesome if the approximate dollar amount of the study costs were also listed.  I think it is very fair for "consumer" to know what the original investment was...

We need to start working very hard to re establish the trust that has been so seriously eroded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Publishing and conducting Clinical trials results and scientific/medical information doesn&#8217;t fall under the category of &#8220;Freedom of Speech&#8221;.  In fact, I would like to further point out that Freedom of Speech does not tie into anywhere in the business of health care.</p>
<p>As to your question about undermining doctors&#8230;.  In an article by Trudo Lemmens, LicIur, LLM (Bioethics); Peter A. Singer, MD an earlier study by Avorn was cited in which doctors erroneously thought that their knowledge of two specific drugs was based on scientific knowledge.  However, it was shown that their thinking was much more in line with deceptive marketing advertisements&#8230;.</p>
<p>Why is that? Because Doctors are busy and sometimes (but thankfully not always) they listen to what the rep has to say and they skim these articles for the &#8220;highlights&#8221;.</p>
<p>In general these guidance rules are fairly good.</p>
<p>Hopefully the savvy patient will know they are being treated off-label and it would be wonderful if the good doctor would provide the patient with access to the study.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day the drug has got to stand on it&#8217;s own.    I think it is particularly great if each and every published paper carried a full disclosure stating that the article was not &#8220;ghost written&#8221; or &#8220;co-authored&#8221; by anyone other than the original P.I.  It would be really awesome if the approximate dollar amount of the study costs were also listed.  I think it is very fair for &#8220;consumer&#8221; to know what the original investment was&#8230;</p>
<p>We need to start working very hard to re establish the trust that has been so seriously eroded.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-164757</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom of Speach is still a First Amendment guarantee.  Are we undermining doctors' training, knowledge and ethics by saying they they are too stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom of Speach is still a First Amendment guarantee.  Are we undermining doctors&#8217; training, knowledge and ethics by saying they they are too stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-164149</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As used by FDA, "adequate and well-controlled" amounts to a term of art for randomly controlled, double-blind, prospective, clinical trials (RCTs)...and FDA interprets the standards of adequacy and wellness of control pretty strictly, as any marketer who has had a claim turned down because it wasn't supported by "adequate and well-controlled trials" can testify.

"Seeding trials" would not come into play here, because (a) being initiated by the company and designed to promote the existing indication they are always conducted within labeling; (b) their results are virtually never published; and (c) they are rarely tried these days, since paying doctors an honorarium for being "clinical investigators" in what is essentially a sham trial constitutes a pretty clear violation of the Anti-Kickback Statute.

The big break that industry did get from this Guidance is the lifting of a requirement that they follow up distribution of papers discussion off-label uses with Phase IV trials leading to a Supplemental New Drug Application (SNDA) for the indication -- a burden that was probably unworkable to begin with, especially for companies with products in the oncology category, where &#62;80% of usage is off-label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As used by FDA, &#8220;adequate and well-controlled&#8221; amounts to a term of art for randomly controlled, double-blind, prospective, clinical trials (RCTs)&#8230;and FDA interprets the standards of adequacy and wellness of control pretty strictly, as any marketer who has had a claim turned down because it wasn&#8217;t supported by &#8220;adequate and well-controlled trials&#8221; can testify.</p>
<p>&#8220;Seeding trials&#8221; would not come into play here, because (a) being initiated by the company and designed to promote the existing indication they are always conducted within labeling; (b) their results are virtually never published; and (c) they are rarely tried these days, since paying doctors an honorarium for being &#8220;clinical investigators&#8221; in what is essentially a sham trial constitutes a pretty clear violation of the Anti-Kickback Statute.</p>
<p>The big break that industry did get from this Guidance is the lifting of a requirement that they follow up distribution of papers discussion off-label uses with Phase IV trials leading to a Supplemental New Drug Application (SNDA) for the indication &#8212; a burden that was probably unworkable to begin with, especially for companies with products in the oncology category, where &gt;80% of usage is off-label.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/fda-policy-on-journal-reprints-good-or-bad/#comment-163846</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have managed sales reps for over 10 years, if anyone thinks the average, non-medical trained rep can adequately know what the hell they are talking about, you are dreaming. Get your average sales rep off of their pre-programed sales message and give them an objection or question that addresses wider appropriate therapy in complicated patients with multiple disease states and they are clueless. What they ARE good at is brainstorming with their other non-medical team mates and devising absurd off label spin in order to win the next company sales reward trip. This type of promotion is relentless when backed by big pharma money to "promotional" programs and daily lunches etc. Docs are smart, but they are human beings and can be influenced more than any of them will acknowledge. Opening up off-label rules is a big problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have managed sales reps for over 10 years, if anyone thinks the average, non-medical trained rep can adequately know what the hell they are talking about, you are dreaming. Get your average sales rep off of their pre-programed sales message and give them an objection or question that addresses wider appropriate therapy in complicated patients with multiple disease states and they are clueless. What they ARE good at is brainstorming with their other non-medical team mates and devising absurd off label spin in order to win the next company sales reward trip. This type of promotion is relentless when backed by big pharma money to &#8220;promotional&#8221; programs and daily lunches etc. Docs are smart, but they are human beings and can be influenced more than any of them will acknowledge. Opening up off-label rules is a big problem.</p>
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