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	<title>Comments on: Finger On The Trigger: Meds &#038; School Shootings</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-173541</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks dada and aa - it happens, to me too.   Don't worry.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks dada and aa - it happens, to me too.   Don&#8217;t worry.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-173104</link>
		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL as that is what insomnia will do to me, which is to miss something right in front of me. 

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL as that is what insomnia will do to me, which is to miss something right in front of me. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: dada</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-173055</link>
		<dc:creator>dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aa 

'Homicidal ideation' in Xanax, original site. 

Links are in underlined text where using html in comments which I see pg uses often.    In the comment you are querying, click on the underlined text "Other adverse events" and you will be taken to the original source where you will find the quote given by pg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aa </p>
<p>&#8216;Homicidal ideation&#8217; in Xanax, original site. </p>
<p>Links are in underlined text where using html in comments which I see pg uses often.    In the comment you are querying, click on the underlined text &#8220;Other adverse events&#8221; and you will be taken to the original source where you will find the quote given by pg.</p>
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		<title>By: aa</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-172850</link>
		<dc:creator>aa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PG,

Thanks for your excellent posts.    Where did you get the information about Xanax causing homicidal ideation?  

I want to repost that on an email list I belong to but would feel more comfortable having the link from the original site.

AA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG,</p>
<p>Thanks for your excellent posts.    Where did you get the information about Xanax causing homicidal ideation?  </p>
<p>I want to repost that on an email list I belong to but would feel more comfortable having the link from the original site.</p>
<p>AA</p>
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		<title>By: dada</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-172721</link>
		<dc:creator>dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pg said
--The terms SSRI and SNRI are apparently a clever marketing attempt to make current ANTIDEPRESSANTS sound as if they’re actually selective of a particular neurotransmitter such as serotonin, noradrenalin, etc, whereas in fact they have no idea what else any SSRI or SNRI are affecting alongside - hence the similar side effects--


--I can't refrain from pointing out that the terms SSRI and SNRI, which I have just used as though they were scientific terms, are in fact marketing concepts--
http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725008

Voted in by doctors.  Not classed by scientists in research.
--Suggested Class Names for Effexor (Venlafaxine HCL)
A) NESRI
B) NSRI
C) SCRI
D) SMRI
Given our objective of creating a new class name, which of the above class names do you feel is most appropriate--
http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725066

We should --stop calling them by their marketing names, control the language and your control the discourse--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pg said<br />
&#8211;The terms SSRI and SNRI are apparently a clever marketing attempt to make current ANTIDEPRESSANTS sound as if they’re actually selective of a particular neurotransmitter such as serotonin, noradrenalin, etc, whereas in fact they have no idea what else any SSRI or SNRI are affecting alongside - hence the similar side effects&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211;I can&#8217;t refrain from pointing out that the terms SSRI and SNRI, which I have just used as though they were scientific terms, are in fact marketing concepts&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725008" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725008</a></p>
<p>Voted in by doctors.  Not classed by scientists in research.<br />
&#8211;Suggested Class Names for Effexor (Venlafaxine HCL)<br />
A) NESRI<br />
B) NSRI<br />
C) SCRI<br />
D) SMRI<br />
Given our objective of creating a new class name, which of the above class names do you feel is most appropriate&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725066" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1195725066</a></p>
<p>We should &#8211;stop calling them by their marketing names, control the language and your control the discourse&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-172602</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence re Prozac homicidality ignored by regulators:
Coded as "hostility":

"Evidence that &lt;a href="http://www.psychiatricrights.org/Research/Digest/AntiDepressants/Guardian-SSRIsandHomicide.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;antidepressant drugs&lt;/a&gt; like Seroxat and Prozac could make people homicidal is being ignored by the body responsible for regulating medicines in the UK, a leading expert said yesterday."

"...Dr Healy, director of the north Wales department of psychological medicine, says he has seen data from the clinical trials that show even some healthy volunteers - people with no illness at all volunteering to take part in the earliest safety trials of the drugs - became unaccountably aggressive. &lt;b&gt;Their reaction is coded as "hostile" which can include homicidal behaviour&lt;/b&gt; and serious aggression. 

"I think there is &lt;b&gt;very clear evidence for all of the SSRI group of drugs that in addition to making people suicidal, they can make people homicidal or seriously aggressive&lt;/b&gt; and the data have been sitting in the MHRA's files on this issue," he said."

(The terms SSRI and SNRI are apparently a clever marketing attempt to make current ANTIDEPRESSANTS sound as if they're actually selective of a particular neurotransmitter such as  serotonin, noradrenalin, etc, whereas in fact they have no idea what else any SSRI or SNRI are affecting alongside - hence the similar side effects).

Effexor - Venlafaxine - has 'homicidal ideation' listed as a side effect on page 43 of Wyeth's document:

http://www.wyeth.com/content/ShowLabeling.asp?id=100</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence re Prozac homicidality ignored by regulators:<br />
Coded as &#8220;hostility&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Evidence that <a href="http://www.psychiatricrights.org/Research/Digest/AntiDepressants/Guardian-SSRIsandHomicide.htm" rel="nofollow">antidepressant drugs</a> like Seroxat and Prozac could make people homicidal is being ignored by the body responsible for regulating medicines in the UK, a leading expert said yesterday.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Dr Healy, director of the north Wales department of psychological medicine, says he has seen data from the clinical trials that show even some healthy volunteers - people with no illness at all volunteering to take part in the earliest safety trials of the drugs - became unaccountably aggressive. <b>Their reaction is coded as &#8220;hostile&#8221; which can include homicidal behaviour</b> and serious aggression. </p>
<p>&#8220;I think there is <b>very clear evidence for all of the SSRI group of drugs that in addition to making people suicidal, they can make people homicidal or seriously aggressive</b> and the data have been sitting in the MHRA&#8217;s files on this issue,&#8221; he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>(The terms SSRI and SNRI are apparently a clever marketing attempt to make current ANTIDEPRESSANTS sound as if they&#8217;re actually selective of a particular neurotransmitter such as  serotonin, noradrenalin, etc, whereas in fact they have no idea what else any SSRI or SNRI are affecting alongside - hence the similar side effects).</p>
<p>Effexor - Venlafaxine - has &#8216;homicidal ideation&#8217; listed as a side effect on page 43 of Wyeth&#8217;s document:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wyeth.com/content/ShowLabeling.asp?id=100" rel="nofollow">http://www.wyeth.com/content/ShowLabeling.asp?id=100</a></p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-172555</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Homicidal Ideation" listed while ON Xanax, &#38; reports of same in withdrawal.

Even in &lt;b&gt;GRADUAL&lt;/b&gt; withdrawal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2335496

"Severe withdrawal symptoms after discontinuation of alprazolam in eight patients with combat-induced posttraumatic stress disorder.


..Most of the patients underwent &lt;b&gt;gradual&lt;/b&gt; medication withdrawal. All patients had a &lt;b&gt;prior&lt;/b&gt; history of alcohol abuse or benzodiazepine dependence. During withdrawal, &lt;b&gt;all patients&lt;/b&gt; had severe reactions including anxiety, sleep disturbance, rage reactions, hyperalertness, increased nightmares, and intrusive thoughts; and &lt;b&gt;6 of the 8 patients had homicidal ideation&lt;/b&gt;."

Upjohn's drug, now part of Pfizer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Homicidal Ideation&#8221; listed while ON Xanax, &amp; reports of same in withdrawal.</p>
<p>Even in <b>GRADUAL</b> withdrawal.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2335496" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2335496</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Severe withdrawal symptoms after discontinuation of alprazolam in eight patients with combat-induced posttraumatic stress disorder.</p>
<p>..Most of the patients underwent <b>gradual</b> medication withdrawal. All patients had a <b>prior</b> history of alcohol abuse or benzodiazepine dependence. During withdrawal, <b>all patients</b> had severe reactions including anxiety, sleep disturbance, rage reactions, hyperalertness, increased nightmares, and intrusive thoughts; and <b>6 of the 8 patients had homicidal ideation</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Upjohn&#8217;s drug, now part of Pfizer.</p>
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		<title>By: pg</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-172479</link>
		<dc:creator>pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kazmierczak &lt;b&gt;XANAX (Alprazolam)&lt;/b&gt; "homicidal ideation" 'INFREQUENT'(NOT 'RARE') in premarketing evaluation:

Also &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam" rel="nofollow"&gt;known as&lt;/a&gt;:

"Alprax, Alprox, Alzam, Anxirid, Apo-Alpraz, Azor, Calmax, Frontin, Gerax, Helex, Kalma, Kinax, Neurol, Novo-Alprazol, Nu-Alpraz, Restyl, Xanax, Xanor, Zopax, Trika".



"&lt;a href="http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/xanax-xr_ad.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Other Adverse Events&lt;/a&gt; Observed During the &lt;b&gt;Premarketing&lt;/b&gt; Evaluation of XANAX XR Tablets

"...Psychiatric system disorders: &lt;b&gt;Frequent:&lt;/b&gt; irritability, insomnia, nervousness, derealization, libido increased, restlessness, agitation, depersonalization, nightmare; &lt;b&gt;Infrequent:&lt;/b&gt; abnormal dreams, apathy, aggression, anger, bradyphrenia, euphoric mood, logorrhea, mood swings, dysphonia, hallucination, 

&lt;b&gt;homicidal ideation&lt;/b&gt;, 

mania, hypomania, impulse control, psychomotor retardation, 

&lt;b&gt;suicidal ideation&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kazmierczak <b>XANAX (Alprazolam)</b> &#8220;homicidal ideation&#8221; &#8216;INFREQUENT&#8217;(NOT &#8216;RARE&#8217;) in premarketing evaluation:</p>
<p>Also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam" rel="nofollow">known as</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Alprax, Alprox, Alzam, Anxirid, Apo-Alpraz, Azor, Calmax, Frontin, Gerax, Helex, Kalma, Kinax, Neurol, Novo-Alprazol, Nu-Alpraz, Restyl, Xanax, Xanor, Zopax, Trika&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/xanax-xr_ad.htm" rel="nofollow">Other Adverse Events</a> Observed During the <b>Premarketing</b> Evaluation of XANAX XR Tablets</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Psychiatric system disorders: <b>Frequent:</b> irritability, insomnia, nervousness, derealization, libido increased, restlessness, agitation, depersonalization, nightmare; <b>Infrequent:</b> abnormal dreams, apathy, aggression, anger, bradyphrenia, euphoric mood, logorrhea, mood swings, dysphonia, hallucination, </p>
<p><b>homicidal ideation</b>, </p>
<p>mania, hypomania, impulse control, psychomotor retardation, </p>
<p><b>suicidal ideation</b></p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-171254</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had'nt even noticed he was'nt posting...hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had&#8217;nt even noticed he was&#8217;nt posting&#8230;hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/finger-on-the-trigger-meds-school-shootings/#comment-171188</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Happy to hear that your'e feeling healthier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Happy to hear that your&#8217;e feeling healthier!</p>
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