Comments on: Glaxo Wins Paxil Suicide Case Due To Preemption http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/ News, Comment and Conversation Fri, 09 May 2008 13:22:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Justice Seekers http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-209034 Justice Seekers Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:56:37 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-209034 I've been reading everyone's comments and just wanted to drop in and say that this was an overall horrible situation. I find myself torn between the multiple point of views that everyone shares. I’ve been reading everyone’s comments and just wanted to drop in and say that this was an overall horrible situation. I find myself torn between the multiple point of views that everyone shares.

]]> By: Justice in Michigan http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140441 Justice in Michigan Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:03:12 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140441 PG - Re: your second link, I have nothing against companies getting together to learn how to protect themselves from liability if that means (a) being in FDA compliance, (b) doing the right things in general (not using delay, obfuscation, etc. in reporting); not attempting to bribe or intimidate academic researchers; etc.. There are conferences like these all the time. It is an industry in itself. If I could afford it, I would go myself. It would be a great education, and I'm certain the food and trinkets would be fantastic! Short of that, the Drug and Device Law Blog, which is linked to this one, is run by two lawyers who defend drug and device companies. If you want to know how that side thinks about all this, I fully recommend it. Of course, you have to keep in mind that the goal is to coach other corporate lawyers on arguments and strategies that are most likely to win in court (i.e., protect their client-companies). Whether the arguments are the truest or fairest or wisest are entirely different questions. But they are among the best lawyers money can by, and I mean that in no cynical sense. In terms of lawyering skills, they are. PG - Re: your second link, I have nothing against companies getting together to learn how to protect themselves from liability if that means (a) being in FDA compliance, (b) doing the right things in general (not using delay, obfuscation, etc. in reporting); not attempting to bribe or intimidate academic researchers; etc..

There are conferences like these all the time. It is an industry in itself. If I could afford it, I would go myself. It would be a great education, and I’m certain the food and trinkets would be fantastic!

Short of that, the Drug and Device Law Blog, which is linked to this one, is run by two lawyers who defend drug and device companies. If you want to know how that side thinks about all this, I fully recommend it.

Of course, you have to keep in mind that the goal is to coach other corporate lawyers on arguments and strategies that are most likely to win in court (i.e., protect their client-companies). Whether the arguments are the truest or fairest or wisest are entirely different questions.

But they are among the best lawyers money can by, and I mean that in no cynical sense. In terms of lawyering skills, they are.

]]> By: ol cranky http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140162 ol cranky Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:20:04 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140162 Lisa: Where the heck do you get off saying "Its a shame that protecting adolescents is not your priority"? Protecting patients (regardless of age) has always been a top priority of mine and I've never summarily dismissed the rights or well being of adolescents. In no way does my statement that it is unconscionable for a pharmacist to interfere in a physician's treatment of a patient by refusing to fill/dispense a prescription and/or dissuading a patient from following physician's instructions indicate a disregard for the safety of adolescents. You are free to think that adolescents should not ever get any sort of psychoactive medication under any circumstances and believe that any and all adverse events experienced by someone exposed to those drugs is caused by them (regardless of the actual circumstances). I, personally, think those sort of blanket beliefs are short-sighted and that the imposition and insinuation of your personal beliefs on the medical care of people not in your care is misguided at best. It is not a pharmacist's place to prevent me (or my teen) from filling a valid and legitimate prescription for prozac or percocet any more than it would be for that pharmacist to refuse to fill an equally valid and legitimate prescription for a hormonal contraceptive. I know your personal experiences with mental health professionals and clinical trials have been horrific. I agree that additional objective review of these compounds, especially with regard to their use in children, is warranted, but I think it is irresponsible to allow personal/emotional decisions prevent any and all use of these medications regardless of the circumstances. Lisa:

Where the heck do you get off saying “Its a shame that protecting adolescents is not your priority”? Protecting patients (regardless of age) has always been a top priority of mine and I’ve never summarily dismissed the rights or well being of adolescents. In no way does my statement that it is unconscionable for a pharmacist to interfere in a physician’s treatment of a patient by refusing to fill/dispense a prescription and/or dissuading a patient from following physician’s instructions indicate a disregard for the safety of adolescents. You are free to think that adolescents should not ever get any sort of psychoactive medication under any circumstances and believe that any and all adverse events experienced by someone exposed to those drugs is caused by them (regardless of the actual circumstances). I, personally, think those sort of blanket beliefs are short-sighted and that the imposition and insinuation of your personal beliefs on the medical care of people not in your care is misguided at best. It is not a pharmacist’s place to prevent me (or my teen) from filling a valid and legitimate prescription for prozac or percocet any more than it would be for that pharmacist to refuse to fill an equally valid and legitimate prescription for a hormonal contraceptive.

I know your personal experiences with mental health professionals and clinical trials have been horrific. I agree that additional objective review of these compounds, especially with regard to their use in children, is warranted, but I think it is irresponsible to allow personal/emotional decisions prevent any and all use of these medications regardless of the circumstances.

]]> By: Lisa Van S http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140085 Lisa Van S Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:13:37 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140085 Ed, Im quite capable of anything thrown my way. This NJ Mom needs no protection from the media.. Thanks Anyway Ed,

Im quite capable of anything thrown my way. This NJ Mom needs no protection from the media.. Thanks Anyway

]]> By: Lisa Van S http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140075 Lisa Van S Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:02:35 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140075 Hey Guys, Its not you,.. Its me!! Ed is screening our comments!,.. Again,... It appears that men have more rights than woman!! So its a free for all!! Hey Guys,

Its not you,.. Its me!! Ed is screening our comments!,.. Again,… It appears that men have more rights than woman!!
So its a free for all!!

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140057 pg Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:40:57 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140057 Oh I still can't see any post, but I'm sure Ed will sort it out somehow. If not/he cant, I'll post it again an a day or two when next online. Oh I still can’t see any post, but I’m sure Ed will sort it out somehow. If not/he cant, I’ll post it again an a day or two when next online.

]]> By: Chris2 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140055 Chris2 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:39:54 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140055 pg - Your post should show up immediately. You linked to a very common type of industry seminar. These happen all the time. > Any help on the latter link would be very much appreciated. What kind of help are you looking for? pg -
Your post should show up immediately.

You linked to a very common type of industry seminar. These happen all the time.

> Any help on the latter link would be very much appreciated.

What kind of help are you looking for?

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140045 pg Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:32:51 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140045 The bits I DID understand in the CorporateLawyerfest link above (if it lands on pharmalot - I can't see it yet - remind me of "THE FIRM", a wicked movie, loved it. That of course was fictional. But in reality NOBODY NEEDS a film to bring the real world into focus - just go here, (can't see my other posts yet, glitch maybe? Do just in case they don't show up here is The Firm/Real Life CorporateLawFest records : http://www.sillscummis.com/downloads/events/305/Drug%20&%20Medical%20Device%20Litigation.pdf The bits I DID understand in the CorporateLawyerfest link above (if it lands on pharmalot - I can’t see it yet - remind me of “THE FIRM”, a wicked movie, loved it. That of course was fictional. But in reality NOBODY NEEDS a film to bring the real world into focus - just go here, (can’t see my other posts yet, glitch maybe? Do just in case they don’t show up here is The Firm/Real Life CorporateLawFest records :

http://www.sillscummis.com/downloads/events/305/Drug%20&%20Medical%20Device%20Litigation.pdf

]]> By: Lisa Van S http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140043 Lisa Van S Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:30:01 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140043 Ol Cranky, that will never happen!!! Its a shame that protecting adolescents is not your priority,...but it is mine..Adolescents have a constitutional right to make informed decisions. Its a shame that you dont share the same belief. Ol Cranky,

that will never happen!!! Its a shame that protecting adolescents is not your priority,…but it is mine..Adolescents have a constitutional right to make informed decisions. Its a shame that you dont share the same belief.

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140031 pg Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:19:56 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/glaxo-wins-paxil-suicide-suit-due-to-preemption/#comment-140031 I think I messed up, hit the wrong key or something, cant see the post. Trying again, sorry if its a repeat: Justice, there were a few sites I found particulary helpful, probably the easiest to understand being: http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/01/role-of-litigation-in-defining-drug.html On the other hand, one of the sites that I found most intriguing - but sadly I can’t follow too well so only got a taste of it all before losing the plot was the following: http://www.sillscummis.com/downloads/events/305/Drug%20&%20Medical%20Device%20Litigation.pdf It seems to be the ultimate CorporateLawfest - a feast of mostly recognisable pharmaceutical industry lawyers working together to develop strategies to evade/avoid litigation. Here’s just a few of many interesting quotes from the site: “Corporations can gain many advantages by understanding how to effectively harness the preemption doctrine”, “Best practices for protecting your company: successful strategies for using the preemption defense to your advantage”, “Medical monitoring is being required by courts for people who have been exposed to DEFECTIVE [emphasis added] drug and medical device products”, and lots more. Any help on the latter link would be very much appreciated. I think I messed up, hit the wrong key or something, cant see the post. Trying again, sorry if its a repeat:

Justice, there were a few sites I found particulary helpful, probably the easiest to understand being:
http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/01/role-of-litigation-in-defining-drug.html

On the other hand, one of the sites that I found most intriguing - but sadly I can’t follow too well so only got a taste of it all before losing the plot was the following:

http://www.sillscummis.com/downloads/events/305/Drug%20&%20Medical%20Device%20Litigation.pdf

It seems to be the ultimate CorporateLawfest - a feast of mostly recognisable pharmaceutical industry lawyers working together to develop strategies to evade/avoid litigation.
Here’s just a few of many interesting quotes from the site:

“Corporations can gain many advantages by understanding how to effectively harness the preemption doctrine”,

“Best practices for protecting your company: successful strategies for using the preemption defense to your advantage”,

“Medical monitoring is being required by courts for people who have been exposed to DEFECTIVE [emphasis added] drug and medical device products”,

and lots more.

Any help on the latter link would be very much appreciated.

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