Comments on: Hot Flash? Wyeth And A Vexing HRT Ingredient http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/ News, Comment and Conversation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:38:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Randy Ice P.T., C.C.S. http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-165729 Randy Ice P.T., C.C.S. Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:06:56 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-165729 Obviously Jack2 has never had a menopausal wife who seeks to relieve her symptoms and prevent degenerative disease via individually prescribed and compounded hormone creams that Wyeth and Big Pharma do not make. If he had, he would see how safe and effective compouned estriol and/or estriol/estradiol preparations are and not make a ridiculous statement that compounders "don't do the public any good in this case." The prescriptions come from the patient's physician.......the compounders only make what he/she orders to be made. Bi-Est and Tri-Est, two compounded estriol/estradiol hormone creams have been in use since 1983 having been developed by Jonathon Wright MD. Hundreds of studies have demonstrated their safety and effectiveness and many have shown bio-identical estriol has anti-cancer effects. Balancing compounded estriol creams with bio-identical progesterone provides additional long-term protection against cancer, osteoporosis, dementia, diabetes, autoimmune disease etc. Thousands of women in the USA have used this over the last 25 years......not one study has shown any risk from using them. We have used them in our clinic for the last 8 years and they are incredibly efffective. No woman using them has had any problem whatsoever. All Wyeth has to offer these woman is Premarin, a product made from pregnant horses urine that contains several estrogens that are unique to horses and are foreign chemicals in the human body. Their synthetic, non-bio-identical "progestin" product Provera has so many intolerable side effects since it too is a chemicalized, foreign-to-the-body drug (not hormone), that it cannot be tolerated by half the women who take it and causes increases in cancer, heart attack, stroke and pulmonary embolus when combined with Premarin (PremPro). Yet the FDA did NOT take these dangerous drugs off the market despite their proven disease-inducing effects when the WHI study proved that in 2003. Further proof is the fall in breast cancer rates over the last 5 years that is attributed to thousands of women discontinuing these dangerous drugs. I would suggest to Jack2 he do more research on the benefits and safety Estriol before he makes erroneous conclusions that attempts to deny physicians and their patients the right to prescribe compounded bio-identical hormone creams. Randy Ice P.T.,C.C.S. Vintage Medical Group Temecula, Calif. Obviously Jack2 has never had a menopausal wife who seeks
to relieve her symptoms and prevent degenerative disease via individually prescribed and compounded hormone creams that Wyeth and Big Pharma do not make. If he had, he would see how safe and effective compouned estriol and/or estriol/estradiol preparations are and not make a ridiculous statement that compounders “don’t do the public any good in this case.” The prescriptions come from the patient’s physician…….the compounders only make what he/she orders to be made.

Bi-Est and Tri-Est, two compounded estriol/estradiol hormone creams have been in use since 1983 having been developed by Jonathon Wright MD. Hundreds of studies have demonstrated their safety and effectiveness and many have shown bio-identical estriol has anti-cancer effects. Balancing compounded estriol creams with bio-identical progesterone provides additional long-term protection against cancer, osteoporosis, dementia, diabetes,
autoimmune disease etc. Thousands of women in the USA have used this over the last 25 years……not one study has shown any risk from using them. We have used them in our clinic for the last 8 years and they are incredibly efffective. No woman using them has had any problem whatsoever.

All Wyeth has to offer these woman is Premarin, a product
made from pregnant horses urine that contains several estrogens that are unique to horses and are foreign
chemicals in the human body. Their synthetic, non-bio-identical “progestin” product Provera has so many intolerable side effects since it too is
a chemicalized, foreign-to-the-body drug (not hormone), that
it cannot be tolerated by half the women who take it and causes increases in cancer, heart attack, stroke and pulmonary embolus when combined with Premarin (PremPro). Yet the FDA did NOT take these dangerous drugs off the market despite their proven disease-inducing effects when the WHI study proved that in 2003. Further proof is the fall in breast cancer rates over the last 5 years that is attributed to thousands of women discontinuing these dangerous drugs.

I would suggest to Jack2 he do more research on the benefits and safety Estriol before he makes erroneous conclusions that attempts to deny physicians and their patients the right to prescribe compounded bio-identical hormone creams.

Randy Ice P.T.,C.C.S.
Vintage Medical Group
Temecula, Calif.

]]> By: Laurie http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-157805 Laurie Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:23:06 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-157805 Sounds like Wyeth is looking for a way to make their marketing of Effexor for hot flashes the only game in town. Scary! Sounds like Wyeth is looking for a way to make their marketing of Effexor for hot flashes the only game in town. Scary!

]]> By: Jack2 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-157663 Jack2 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:20:32 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/hot-flash-wyeth-and-a-vexing-hrt-ingredient/#comment-157663 While Wyeth's arguements may appear hypocritical to some (they don't appear hypocritical to me), unnecessary pharmacy compounding: -costs insurers more money -delivers a product to a patient that is manufactuered less stringently The only winner is the compounding pharmacist. Would you rather have a car manufactured by GM, or a car manufactured by some guy in his shop trying to duplicate the GM car - who then charges you more money for that car? Thanks for bringing some light to this. Also compounding pharmacists address many needs that would not get served in any other way, but they don't do the public any good in this case. Jack2 (not Jack) a pharmacist While Wyeth’s arguements may appear hypocritical to some (they don’t appear hypocritical to me), unnecessary pharmacy compounding:
-costs insurers more money
-delivers a product to a patient that is manufactuered less stringently

The only winner is the compounding pharmacist.

Would you rather have a car manufactured by GM, or a car manufactured by some guy in his shop trying to duplicate the GM car - who then charges you more money for that car?

Thanks for bringing some light to this. Also compounding pharmacists address many needs that would not get served in any other way, but they don’t do the public any good in this case.

Jack2 (not Jack)
a pharmacist

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