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		<title>By: In the Know</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/preemption-and-amputation-diana-fights-wyeth/#comment-183928</link>
		<dc:creator>In the Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Sal &#38; JM:

Although state specific attempts to directly impose labeling requirements on pharma manufacturers are likely to be unsuccessful (there is no argument that FDA preempts the field here), the real world issue is that state law tort  concepts have imposed an impossible burden on pharma manufacturers.  Taking the Levine case as an example, the manufacturer followed FDA procedures with respect to warnings and additionally lobbied FDA for expanded warnings for its Phenergan product.  FDA decided the warnings were adequate and declined the manufacturer's request for revision.  There was thus nothing more the manufacturer could do legally regading warnings on the Phenergan product.  The Vermont jury, however, found that the manufacturer did not provide adequate warnings and that Mrs. Levine's injuries were the direct result of that failure to warn.  As a result, the manufacturer bears the financial brunt of an injury caused by allegedly inadequate warnings that it was constrained to maintain due to FDA fiat.  This scenario is played out in courtrooms across the country as plaintiffs attempt to convince juries that, "Manufacturers selling pharmaceutical products in (fill in state) have a duty under state law to ensure that their product carries appropriate warnings to protect our citizens.  It is not enough to simply have complied with FDA regulations."  The chaos that Dr. Sal references is already in play and the real world consequences are/will be reduced availability of pharmaceutical products on a state-by-state basis which has been a hotly debated issue for years.

Nurses Laurie and Lynn:
I agree that because of the age/familiarity of promethazine, most nurses are unaware of the risks of IV infusion.  From the manufacturer's perspective, however, there is an expectation that the physician requesting said administration is fully aware of a drug's propensities.  Risk-Reward is at the essence of a decision whether and how to administer a drug to a certain patient and the physician is uniquely qualified to make that determination in light of how the patient presents in his/her office.  It cannot be controverted that the Risk-Reward analysis can only effectively be made when ALL of the risks have been factored.  It leaves everyone empty when a physician testifies (as in this case) that he ordered IV administration because he knew it would provide immediate relief but that he had not recently read the label and did not know of the risk of extravasation.  It also leaves everyone empty when the nurse administering the infusion testifies (as in this case) that she did not halt the infusion despite the patient's cries of severe pain at the injection site in contravention of standard practice.  I agree that pharma and the medical community need to write policies and procedures aimed at ensuring the safe administration of pharmaceutical products.  These products are, by definition, toxic substances that can have serious unintended consequences if administered injudiciously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sal &amp; JM:</p>
<p>Although state specific attempts to directly impose labeling requirements on pharma manufacturers are likely to be unsuccessful (there is no argument that FDA preempts the field here), the real world issue is that state law tort  concepts have imposed an impossible burden on pharma manufacturers.  Taking the Levine case as an example, the manufacturer followed FDA procedures with respect to warnings and additionally lobbied FDA for expanded warnings for its Phenergan product.  FDA decided the warnings were adequate and declined the manufacturer&#8217;s request for revision.  There was thus nothing more the manufacturer could do legally regading warnings on the Phenergan product.  The Vermont jury, however, found that the manufacturer did not provide adequate warnings and that Mrs. Levine&#8217;s injuries were the direct result of that failure to warn.  As a result, the manufacturer bears the financial brunt of an injury caused by allegedly inadequate warnings that it was constrained to maintain due to FDA fiat.  This scenario is played out in courtrooms across the country as plaintiffs attempt to convince juries that, &#8220;Manufacturers selling pharmaceutical products in (fill in state) have a duty under state law to ensure that their product carries appropriate warnings to protect our citizens.  It is not enough to simply have complied with FDA regulations.&#8221;  The chaos that Dr. Sal references is already in play and the real world consequences are/will be reduced availability of pharmaceutical products on a state-by-state basis which has been a hotly debated issue for years.</p>
<p>Nurses Laurie and Lynn:<br />
I agree that because of the age/familiarity of promethazine, most nurses are unaware of the risks of IV infusion.  From the manufacturer&#8217;s perspective, however, there is an expectation that the physician requesting said administration is fully aware of a drug&#8217;s propensities.  Risk-Reward is at the essence of a decision whether and how to administer a drug to a certain patient and the physician is uniquely qualified to make that determination in light of how the patient presents in his/her office.  It cannot be controverted that the Risk-Reward analysis can only effectively be made when ALL of the risks have been factored.  It leaves everyone empty when a physician testifies (as in this case) that he ordered IV administration because he knew it would provide immediate relief but that he had not recently read the label and did not know of the risk of extravasation.  It also leaves everyone empty when the nurse administering the infusion testifies (as in this case) that she did not halt the infusion despite the patient&#8217;s cries of severe pain at the injection site in contravention of standard practice.  I agree that pharma and the medical community need to write policies and procedures aimed at ensuring the safe administration of pharmaceutical products.  These products are, by definition, toxic substances that can have serious unintended consequences if administered injudiciously.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/preemption-and-amputation-diana-fights-wyeth/#comment-175739</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Sal - You are right and, as I recall, that came up in an earlier case involving preemption.  To me, at least, separate state approval systems don't make sense.

However, what the preemptors did was to equate an issue like that - where there is truly an indendent "min" FDA in a state - and slid it into preemption of state tort law, which, in itself, has nothing to do with labels.

Still, there's a great deal we've learned about safety issues with certain drugs (that end up in label changes or full withdrawal) through civil liability that it is unlikely we would ever have learned otherwise.  See Kesselheim and Avorn, "The Role of Litigation in Drug Safety," JAMA, January 17, 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sal - You are right and, as I recall, that came up in an earlier case involving preemption.  To me, at least, separate state approval systems don&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>However, what the preemptors did was to equate an issue like that - where there is truly an indendent &#8220;min&#8221; FDA in a state - and slid it into preemption of state tort law, which, in itself, has nothing to do with labels.</p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s a great deal we&#8217;ve learned about safety issues with certain drugs (that end up in label changes or full withdrawal) through civil liability that it is unlikely we would ever have learned otherwise.  See Kesselheim and Avorn, &#8220;The Role of Litigation in Drug Safety,&#8221; JAMA, January 17, 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Justice

The issue in Ca. I referenced was a move to require seperate package insert/label in that state for a particular product.  This is quite a different matter than a decision not to allow general coverage for a product or proceedure.

Thanks for taking my word on this matter-of-fact; I worked on many issues in my time and can only sometimes remember generalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Justice</p>
<p>The issue in Ca. I referenced was a move to require seperate package insert/label in that state for a particular product.  This is quite a different matter than a decision not to allow general coverage for a product or proceedure.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking my word on this matter-of-fact; I worked on many issues in my time and can only sometimes remember generalities.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick notes - I don't know if anyone will return to this thread soon.

- First, happy to say that I am not a lawyer.  I teach about some of these issues in a policy/politics context.  

- For Nathan:  Yes, it is clear that the Bush administration has initiated the movement toward preemption.  They make no secret of this.  It was a change of policy initiated in early 2002, shortly after Dan Troy's appointment as FDA Chief Counsel.  He has been the "godfather" of the movement for several years, including since his leaving the Chief Counsel position in 2004.

Dan (we have slight acquaintance, so I guess I can use his first name) moved quickly as Chief Counsel, specifically inviting companies to bring cases to him - as FDA Chief Counsel - that FDA would then support with an amicus arguing that such cases should be rejected on the basis of FDA preemption.  All of this was very out in the open.  His famous line, said at a conference, was that companies should "pitch their cases to him as though they were Hollywood scripts."  

So the goal was to get us where we are - have cases work their way through the circuits - where disagreements were virtually certain - so that one or more would eventually come to the Supreme Court.  That took about six years.

Once the Supreme Court rules, there is nothing a new FDA administration can do to reverse or modify it.   It is now "the law of the land."  If it were to lead to demonstrably bad results, there is the possibility that Congress could pass a bill that impacted the Supreme Court's decision.  But essentially we're in a position close to Roe v. Wade.  The Supreme Court would have to reverse itself to turn back what happened yesterday.  I guess that's why we do, indeed, call it "the law of the land."

Dr. Sal - I'll take your word on that.  There are other potentially relevant examples.  The Medicaid systems in both Washington and Oregon did not support Vioxx after the 2001 FDA Advisory Committee on it.  This was not based on cost but on safety (it is against the law for such formulary decisions to be based on cost in those states).  So here, indeed, were cases of states making, in effect, declarations about safety that were contrary to what FDA was then saying, Merck, et. al.

Nonetheless, no chaos resulted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick notes - I don&#8217;t know if anyone will return to this thread soon.</p>
<p>- First, happy to say that I am not a lawyer.  I teach about some of these issues in a policy/politics context.  </p>
<p>- For Nathan:  Yes, it is clear that the Bush administration has initiated the movement toward preemption.  They make no secret of this.  It was a change of policy initiated in early 2002, shortly after Dan Troy&#8217;s appointment as FDA Chief Counsel.  He has been the &#8220;godfather&#8221; of the movement for several years, including since his leaving the Chief Counsel position in 2004.</p>
<p>Dan (we have slight acquaintance, so I guess I can use his first name) moved quickly as Chief Counsel, specifically inviting companies to bring cases to him - as FDA Chief Counsel - that FDA would then support with an amicus arguing that such cases should be rejected on the basis of FDA preemption.  All of this was very out in the open.  His famous line, said at a conference, was that companies should &#8220;pitch their cases to him as though they were Hollywood scripts.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So the goal was to get us where we are - have cases work their way through the circuits - where disagreements were virtually certain - so that one or more would eventually come to the Supreme Court.  That took about six years.</p>
<p>Once the Supreme Court rules, there is nothing a new FDA administration can do to reverse or modify it.   It is now &#8220;the law of the land.&#8221;  If it were to lead to demonstrably bad results, there is the possibility that Congress could pass a bill that impacted the Supreme Court&#8217;s decision.  But essentially we&#8217;re in a position close to Roe v. Wade.  The Supreme Court would have to reverse itself to turn back what happened yesterday.  I guess that&#8217;s why we do, indeed, call it &#8220;the law of the land.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr. Sal - I&#8217;ll take your word on that.  There are other potentially relevant examples.  The Medicaid systems in both Washington and Oregon did not support Vioxx after the 2001 FDA Advisory Committee on it.  This was not based on cost but on safety (it is against the law for such formulary decisions to be based on cost in those states).  So here, indeed, were cases of states making, in effect, declarations about safety that were contrary to what FDA was then saying, Merck, et. al.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, no chaos resulted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment to Justice

Several years ago one state, I believe California, attempted to pass legislation that would have created special warning categories for some pharmaceuticals.  I cannot remember the specifics (must have forgotten to take my Aricept) but I believe it had something to do with carcinogenicity.  This attempt failed but it was tried.   Notwithstanding this failed attempt or any other prior attempt that I am not aware of, it is very dangerous to assume that because something has not been successful in the past sociopolitical climate it would not be successful at this or some future time.  I am glad “Justice” and I agree though that the standing FDA system HAS worked and prevented chaos and therefore any actions which might jeopardize this greater-good compromise through judicial activism or case law would be a bad thing.</description>
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<p>Several years ago one state, I believe California, attempted to pass legislation that would have created special warning categories for some pharmaceuticals.  I cannot remember the specifics (must have forgotten to take my Aricept) but I believe it had something to do with carcinogenicity.  This attempt failed but it was tried.   Notwithstanding this failed attempt or any other prior attempt that I am not aware of, it is very dangerous to assume that because something has not been successful in the past sociopolitical climate it would not be successful at this or some future time.  I am glad “Justice” and I agree though that the standing FDA system HAS worked and prevented chaos and therefore any actions which might jeopardize this greater-good compromise through judicial activism or case law would be a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn, I completely agree with what you said. I've been lucky two work with very well informed nurses. I sure this is not the case all over. 
I have refused to give IV phenergan only to have the ordering doc have a resident give it, not following the necessary safety guidelines. 
But, I'm responsible for my practice and I will not give this medication IV. There are to many other drugs that would treat the symptoms with much lower injury risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, I completely agree with what you said. I&#8217;ve been lucky two work with very well informed nurses. I sure this is not the case all over.<br />
I have refused to give IV phenergan only to have the ordering doc have a resident give it, not following the necessary safety guidelines.<br />
But, I&#8217;m responsible for my practice and I will not give this medication IV. There are to many other drugs that would treat the symptoms with much lower injury risks.</p>
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		<title>By: DV Jr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Nathan: A Supreme Court decision reflects the law of the land unless a future SC overturns it or Congress passes a (Constitutional) law changing it. A change in administrations would be irrelevant.

To Justice in Michigan: True that FDA &#38; civil litigation have coexisted up to now, but the question of where the 10th Amendment stands on the role of the state courts in litigation has not been determined. If the SC definitively decides in favor of the states, it's entirely plausible that the chaos described by Dr. Sal would take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Nathan: A Supreme Court decision reflects the law of the land unless a future SC overturns it or Congress passes a (Constitutional) law changing it. A change in administrations would be irrelevant.</p>
<p>To Justice in Michigan: True that FDA &amp; civil litigation have coexisted up to now, but the question of where the 10th Amendment stands on the role of the state courts in litigation has not been determined. If the SC definitively decides in favor of the states, it&#8217;s entirely plausible that the chaos described by Dr. Sal would take place.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Hadaway, M.Ed., RN, BC, CRNI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree that most nurses understand the risk associated with giving any brand of promethazine by the IV route. I am an infusion specialist nurse with more than 35 years experience and I have served as expert witness in many legal cases involving extravasation injury from promethazine. Most nurses regard this drug with a very cavalier attitude because it is an older drug that they have given IM for virtually all of their career. Also, the level of nursing knowledge and skill about IV catheter site selection, placement and monitoring IV sites is extremely low. This is a dangerous drug that should not have the IV route on its labeling, in my opinion. Changing the labeling may not change nursing practice that much because the nurse is not going to read this label before each dose it given. This drug requires the same level of skill when given IV as any vesicant antineoplastic drug! This requires attention from hospital administration to write policies and procedures aimed at decreasing its use and the requirements for safe administration. Just my opinion after seeing the horrible outcomes for many patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree that most nurses understand the risk associated with giving any brand of promethazine by the IV route. I am an infusion specialist nurse with more than 35 years experience and I have served as expert witness in many legal cases involving extravasation injury from promethazine. Most nurses regard this drug with a very cavalier attitude because it is an older drug that they have given IM for virtually all of their career. Also, the level of nursing knowledge and skill about IV catheter site selection, placement and monitoring IV sites is extremely low. This is a dangerous drug that should not have the IV route on its labeling, in my opinion. Changing the labeling may not change nursing practice that much because the nurse is not going to read this label before each dose it given. This drug requires the same level of skill when given IV as any vesicant antineoplastic drug! This requires attention from hospital administration to write policies and procedures aimed at decreasing its use and the requirements for safe administration. Just my opinion after seeing the horrible outcomes for many patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a question for perhaps Justice or other lawyers out there...
What sort of constitutional challenges, if any, have been discussed in this space (e.g., products liability litigation that is federally pre-empted)? Has anyone argued Due Process? 
Any information would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a question for perhaps Justice or other lawyers out there&#8230;<br />
What sort of constitutional challenges, if any, have been discussed in this space (e.g., products liability litigation that is federally pre-empted)? Has anyone argued Due Process?<br />
Any information would be appreciated.</p>
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