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		<title>By: someone</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/will-change-in-washington-end-dtc-ads/#comment-175678</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ol Cranky said " As we all know, the “free speech” argument is a straw man that needs to be set aside already."  AMEN!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ol Cranky said &#8221; As we all know, the “free speech” argument is a straw man that needs to be set aside already.&#8221;  AMEN!!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/will-change-in-washington-end-dtc-ads/#comment-174399</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlex - Right. What you said about Hilts' theory is what I wrote.

Also agree many factors, including other corporate arenas (Enron, etc.).  Of course, this is one of those things that's essentially impossible to pin down one way or other.  We can track the correlation of DTC with scripts written (and speculate about possible causal links) but almost certainly not attitudes in the same way, which are more variously conditioned, less malleable once formed, etc.

You won't be surprised if I think "shooting themselves in the foot" is a little mild for _some_ of the "bad behavior" (and those who also got shot in the process), but generally in accord.  I would add that pharma is different from other industries because of how much most of us depend on their _avoiding_ "bad behavior_.  That is, how much we essentially _have_ to trust the industry.  To that degree, they are also in the position of docs - inevitably, our views our going to be fickle.  And they should be.  That's part of what goes with taking on this work and not some other.

As I've often said, when a social scientist messes up, nobody gives a sh*t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlex - Right. What you said about Hilts&#8217; theory is what I wrote.</p>
<p>Also agree many factors, including other corporate arenas (Enron, etc.).  Of course, this is one of those things that&#8217;s essentially impossible to pin down one way or other.  We can track the correlation of DTC with scripts written (and speculate about possible causal links) but almost certainly not attitudes in the same way, which are more variously conditioned, less malleable once formed, etc.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t be surprised if I think &#8220;shooting themselves in the foot&#8221; is a little mild for _some_ of the &#8220;bad behavior&#8221; (and those who also got shot in the process), but generally in accord.  I would add that pharma is different from other industries because of how much most of us depend on their _avoiding_ &#8220;bad behavior_.  That is, how much we essentially _have_ to trust the industry.  To that degree, they are also in the position of docs - inevitably, our views our going to be fickle.  And they should be.  That&#8217;s part of what goes with taking on this work and not some other.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve often said, when a social scientist messes up, nobody gives a sh*t.</p>
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		<title>By: Atlex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice,

In my opinion, Phil Hilts gives Americans far too much credit.  I frankly don't believe that Americans care all that much about AIDS in Africa, certainly not enough to impact our thinking about health care in the US.

Overall, I think the decline is multi-factoral--increasing patient out-of-pocket expenses (this includes rising prices, increased utilization and increasing co-payments); the aging of the baby boom generation and the need to treat the conditions of middle age; a changing attitude and skepticism about corporate America; the pharma industry shooting itself in the foot with bad behavior; etc.  DTC is part of that equation, but I don't think it has any greater role than the other factors.

Atlex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice,</p>
<p>In my opinion, Phil Hilts gives Americans far too much credit.  I frankly don&#8217;t believe that Americans care all that much about AIDS in Africa, certainly not enough to impact our thinking about health care in the US.</p>
<p>Overall, I think the decline is multi-factoral&#8211;increasing patient out-of-pocket expenses (this includes rising prices, increased utilization and increasing co-payments); the aging of the baby boom generation and the need to treat the conditions of middle age; a changing attitude and skepticism about corporate America; the pharma industry shooting itself in the foot with bad behavior; etc.  DTC is part of that equation, but I don&#8217;t think it has any greater role than the other factors.</p>
<p>Atlex</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlex - I chose the word "correlation" in order not to suggest causality, just an association in time.  The "my sense" part was, indeed, just my sense.

Phil Hilts, whose book on FDA you probably know (but probably don't like) thinks the key was pharma's initial balk at responding to the need for AIDS meds in Africa at that time ('97).  I frankly think he thinks too much of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlex - I chose the word &#8220;correlation&#8221; in order not to suggest causality, just an association in time.  The &#8220;my sense&#8221; part was, indeed, just my sense.</p>
<p>Phil Hilts, whose book on FDA you probably know (but probably don&#8217;t like) thinks the key was pharma&#8217;s initial balk at responding to the need for AIDS meds in Africa at that time (&#8217;97).  I frankly think he thinks too much of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Atlex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice, while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I think you may be leaping too far in drawing that conclusion.  Just because two things happen around the same time, doesn't mean that there's a correlation.  Many things happened in the last 11 years since DTC became common (1997 is generally considered the watershed year). In related healthcare areas, DTC advertising hasn't led to the same decline in "gravitas".  For instance, the hospital industry regularly advertises, yet hasn't declined like the pharma industry in public perception.

I would argue that DTC combined with a number of other factors--profitability, politics, the aging of the baby boomers (with unreasonable expectations for perfection in everything) and others issues--have all contributed to the decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice, while I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with you, I think you may be leaping too far in drawing that conclusion.  Just because two things happen around the same time, doesn&#8217;t mean that there&#8217;s a correlation.  Many things happened in the last 11 years since DTC became common (1997 is generally considered the watershed year). In related healthcare areas, DTC advertising hasn&#8217;t led to the same decline in &#8220;gravitas&#8221;.  For instance, the hospital industry regularly advertises, yet hasn&#8217;t declined like the pharma industry in public perception.</p>
<p>I would argue that DTC combined with a number of other factors&#8211;profitability, politics, the aging of the baby boomers (with unreasonable expectations for perfection in everything) and others issues&#8211;have all contributed to the decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever else, there is at least a correlation between the boom of TV DTC and the beginning of the big slide in poll numbers for the industry.

My sense has always been that if you sell drugs like they used to sell cigarettes, there's a loss of a certain amount of "gravitas."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever else, there is at least a correlation between the boom of TV DTC and the beginning of the big slide in poll numbers for the industry.</p>
<p>My sense has always been that if you sell drugs like they used to sell cigarettes, there&#8217;s a loss of a certain amount of &#8220;gravitas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ol cranky</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is, most of my friend (the majority of which are in Pharma) agree that DTC needs to go.  AZ supposedly d/c'd most DTC (which I think has negatively impacted their ability for symbicort to take any substantive market share from advair, despite the tachyphylaxis and steroid burden issues with advair), but they seem to be the only ones to have  pulled back any DTC adverts.

As we all know, the "free speech" argument is a straw man that needs to be set aside already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is, most of my friend (the majority of which are in Pharma) agree that DTC needs to go.  AZ supposedly d/c&#8217;d most DTC (which I think has negatively impacted their ability for symbicort to take any substantive market share from advair, despite the tachyphylaxis and steroid burden issues with advair), but they seem to be the only ones to have  pulled back any DTC adverts.</p>
<p>As we all know, the &#8220;free speech&#8221; argument is a straw man that needs to be set aside already.</p>
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