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	<title>Comments on: Glaxo Escapes Prosecution Over Paxil In UK</title>
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		<title>By: truthman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-200552</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am i not suprised that Nathan, Bob and Brian from the Pro-pharma disney parade haven't dared to touch this topic?..

Any comments on GSK Killing kids for profit guys?..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am i not suprised that Nathan, Bob and Brian from the Pro-pharma disney parade haven&#8217;t dared to touch this topic?..</p>
<p>Any comments on GSK Killing kids for profit guys?..</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-197716</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
Looky Here,.. I rest my case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
Looky Here,.. I rest my case!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holford</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-194984</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Aubrey: it's a powerful position to be in, when one gets to say what is true.  However, when one begins to ask the "right" questions, one is either stonewalled, or discredited/intimidated (dependent, presumably, upon one's profile).

You may feel aggrieved for Medicine.  I'm not exactly cock-a-hoop for the Law, either.  We've all contributed, I think.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Aubrey: it&#8217;s a powerful position to be in, when one gets to say what is true.  However, when one begins to ask the &#8220;right&#8221; questions, one is either stonewalled, or discredited/intimidated (dependent, presumably, upon one&#8217;s profile).</p>
<p>You may feel aggrieved for Medicine.  I&#8217;m not exactly cock-a-hoop for the Law, either.  We&#8217;ve all contributed, I think.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bad day for science. 

Effectively this is government saying that scientific misconduct does not matter.

The MHRA investigation (for what it is worth) also neatly sidesteps many of the most blatant examples of fakery, as well as the corruption of the scientific literature upon which doctors reply. 

This is why mandatory reporting (even if it were possible to enforce in this Alice in Wonderland envoronment) is almost meaningless if the literature remains corrupted and corruptible. 

In the words of the author Thomas Pynchon:

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."

We play their game when we debate the questions they're asking. He who sets the ground rules, is bound to win, and winning in this instance means killing people and getting away with it. That way we don't start asking the wrong questions. Questions about ourselves and about my profession of medicine.

Aubrey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bad day for science. </p>
<p>Effectively this is government saying that scientific misconduct does not matter.</p>
<p>The MHRA investigation (for what it is worth) also neatly sidesteps many of the most blatant examples of fakery, as well as the corruption of the scientific literature upon which doctors reply. </p>
<p>This is why mandatory reporting (even if it were possible to enforce in this Alice in Wonderland envoronment) is almost meaningless if the literature remains corrupted and corruptible. </p>
<p>In the words of the author Thomas Pynchon:</p>
<p>&#8220;If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don&#8217;t have to worry about the answers.&#8221;</p>
<p>We play their game when we debate the questions they&#8217;re asking. He who sets the ground rules, is bound to win, and winning in this instance means killing people and getting away with it. That way we don&#8217;t start asking the wrong questions. Questions about ourselves and about my profession of medicine.</p>
<p>Aubrey</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-193231</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Such a course of action should be unnecessary in an industry which relies so heavily on public trust and aspires to high ethical standards. I would have thought it self-evident that such information should be made available promptly to the regulator in order that action can be taken to protect public health. However, that moral responsbility now needs to be insisted upon by the unambiguous force of law,” 

This comment from Woods to Garnier says it all as far as I am concerned.  There are plenty of people in the industry who would fully agree, and who act accordingly.  So do many companies.  But the bad actors cause bad consequences - for patients and for the industry.

The letter remains naive, however.  The "unambiguous force of law" sounds impressive.  But it has rarely worked alone as a way to ensure moral responsibility.  For those inclined, it will just be another game with which to play cat and mouse.  And if the mouse wins, it will be the 'cost of doing business.'

My own core efforts have involved insuring legal accountability.  But I am aware that, in the end, much more is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Such a course of action should be unnecessary in an industry which relies so heavily on public trust and aspires to high ethical standards. I would have thought it self-evident that such information should be made available promptly to the regulator in order that action can be taken to protect public health. However, that moral responsbility now needs to be insisted upon by the unambiguous force of law,” </p>
<p>This comment from Woods to Garnier says it all as far as I am concerned.  There are plenty of people in the industry who would fully agree, and who act accordingly.  So do many companies.  But the bad actors cause bad consequences - for patients and for the industry.</p>
<p>The letter remains naive, however.  The &#8220;unambiguous force of law&#8221; sounds impressive.  But it has rarely worked alone as a way to ensure moral responsibility.  For those inclined, it will just be another game with which to play cat and mouse.  And if the mouse wins, it will be the &#8216;cost of doing business.&#8217;</p>
<p>My own core efforts have involved insuring legal accountability.  But I am aware that, in the end, much more is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: truthman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-192741</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This talk of implementing new laws is purely for PR purposes..
A prosecution of GSK would have been the only way to restore faith in the MHRA but the UK government knows better than to bite the hand which it feeds off ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This talk of implementing new laws is purely for PR purposes..<br />
A prosecution of GSK would have been the only way to restore faith in the MHRA but the UK government knows better than to bite the hand which it feeds off ..</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holford</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-192706</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, it's all very well tightening up the Law, but there's no trust left in this relationship.  None at all.  The regulator has refused to answer the most straight forward of questions from campaigners.  Its communications have been evasive and it resorts to official stonewalling all too easily.

Speaking personally, I wouldn't trust the MHRA to police and enforce any new legislation, irrespective of whether it was the best, most tightly drawn ever passed.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s all very well tightening up the Law, but there&#8217;s no trust left in this relationship.  None at all.  The regulator has refused to answer the most straight forward of questions from campaigners.  Its communications have been evasive and it resorts to official stonewalling all too easily.</p>
<p>Speaking personally, I wouldn&#8217;t trust the MHRA to police and enforce any new legislation, irrespective of whether it was the best, most tightly drawn ever passed.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holford</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-192700</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed wrote:
"...Laws have subsequently been changed to require drugmakers to report adverse reactions in any clinical trial, though these rules don’t apply outside of Europe..."

I'm not sure about that.  Any SAEs occuring in trials authorized in the EU must be reported on the European dbase.  Also (and this may only apply to EU companies), under Regulation 34 of the Medicines for Human Use (Clinical Trial) Regulations, where a trial is held in the UK, but there are trials of the same drug elsewhere (including the US, presumably - it's difficult to tell from the wording of the Regulations), then any adverse reactions occurring in the "foreign" trials must also be reported on the European dbase.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed wrote:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Laws have subsequently been changed to require drugmakers to report adverse reactions in any clinical trial, though these rules don’t apply outside of Europe&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that.  Any SAEs occuring in trials authorized in the EU must be reported on the European dbase.  Also (and this may only apply to EU companies), under Regulation 34 of the Medicines for Human Use (Clinical Trial) Regulations, where a trial is held in the UK, but there are trials of the same drug elsewhere (including the US, presumably - it&#8217;s difficult to tell from the wording of the Regulations), then any adverse reactions occurring in the &#8220;foreign&#8221; trials must also be reported on the European dbase.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: truthman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/03/glaxo-escapes-prosecution-over-paxil-in-uk/#comment-192641</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glaxo Dodges Prosecution over Seroxat Risk Data

GlaxoSmithKline will not be prosecuted for not informing UK regulators about safety issues concerning its drug Seroxat. The British Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has announced that the decision was taken because there was "no realistic prospect of a conviction in this case," as the legislation at the time, in 2003, was not comprehensive enough to force companies to disclose all of their clinical data to regulators.

http://www.enews20.com/news_Glaxo_Dodges_Prosecution_over_Seroxat_Risk_Data_06348.html

No mater what way you look at it, its corporate manslaughter ...
The UK powers are claiming there was was insufficient laws to prosecute, not insufficient evidence..
Personally i feel for the families of the dead children..
I know of one personally..
Please read the story of Sharise Gatchell..

http://www.gevil.netopti.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glaxo Dodges Prosecution over Seroxat Risk Data</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline will not be prosecuted for not informing UK regulators about safety issues concerning its drug Seroxat. The British Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has announced that the decision was taken because there was &#8220;no realistic prospect of a conviction in this case,&#8221; as the legislation at the time, in 2003, was not comprehensive enough to force companies to disclose all of their clinical data to regulators.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.enews20.com/news_Glaxo_Dodges_Prosecution_over_Seroxat_Risk_Data_06348.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.enews20.com/news_Glaxo_Dodges_Prosecution_over_Seroxat_Risk_Data_06348.html</a></p>
<p>No mater what way you look at it, its corporate manslaughter &#8230;<br />
The UK powers are claiming there was was insufficient laws to prosecute, not insufficient evidence..<br />
Personally i feel for the families of the dead children..<br />
I know of one personally..<br />
Please read the story of Sharise Gatchell..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gevil.netopti.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gevil.netopti.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: truthman</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom Line..
GSK failed stalled on information on negative seroxat trials indicating Seroxat increased suicidal thoughts ..
The outcome was thousands of kids were damaged, some died..
What other word is there to describe a corporation committing manslaughter than the phrase :"corporate manslaughter" ?

If Ford sold cars with dodgy brakes and people were being killed because of this, and then they were found to have known but not warned, would they get away with it?..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom Line..<br />
GSK failed stalled on information on negative seroxat trials indicating Seroxat increased suicidal thoughts ..<br />
The outcome was thousands of kids were damaged, some died..<br />
What other word is there to describe a corporation committing manslaughter than the phrase :&#8221;corporate manslaughter&#8221; ?</p>
<p>If Ford sold cars with dodgy brakes and people were being killed because of this, and then they were found to have known but not warned, would they get away with it?..</p>
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