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	<title>Comments on: Kids Need An EKG Before Taking ADHD Meds</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-308706</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,

Maybe Psychiatry has a problem w/diagnosing cardiac Arythmia, prolonged QT,... Maybe the American Heart Association would consider educating the Psychiatric Community... Gee,.. an honest way to earn CME Credits, dont you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,</p>
<p>Maybe Psychiatry has a problem w/diagnosing cardiac Arythmia, prolonged QT,&#8230; Maybe the American Heart Association would consider educating the Psychiatric Community&#8230; Gee,.. an honest way to earn CME Credits, dont you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-308386</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how the cardiologists have no problem with this..yet psychiatry fights it. Once again, witholding medical information for the sake of compliance is NEVER ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how the cardiologists have no problem with this..yet psychiatry fights it. Once again, witholding medical information for the sake of compliance is NEVER ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Grieving</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-307758</link>
		<dc:creator>Grieving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sympathies to the parent who lost her child.  I know what it's like, having lost mine to a psychotropic drug as well.  It never goes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sympathies to the parent who lost her child.  I know what it&#8217;s like, having lost mine to a psychotropic drug as well.  It never goes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Grieving</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-307754</link>
		<dc:creator>Grieving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poster who lost her child to Ritalin has a good point.  Is there a way or protocol to test for heart damage while on these dangerous (and unnecessary ) drugs?  And yes, those who test for heart conditions pre taking stimulants would be making money but there should also be some precursors in this situation as well.

I will never forget the little Hispanic boy put on stimulants for ADHD at the encouragement of the school then needing to be rushed to the hospital. He was lucky to survive and his family would never in a million years put him on anything ever again. And don't think the other parents didn't take note.  The word got around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster who lost her child to Ritalin has a good point.  Is there a way or protocol to test for heart damage while on these dangerous (and unnecessary ) drugs?  And yes, those who test for heart conditions pre taking stimulants would be making money but there should also be some precursors in this situation as well.</p>
<p>I will never forget the little Hispanic boy put on stimulants for ADHD at the encouragement of the school then needing to be rushed to the hospital. He was lucky to survive and his family would never in a million years put him on anything ever again. And don&#8217;t think the other parents didn&#8217;t take note.  The word got around.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-307081</link>
		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Truthman,

Now I understand.  I have a non verbal learning disability which I believe 
includes a dyspraxia component.   NLD is also commonly misdiagnosed as ADHD.   

That is good you are keeping a close watch on your brother.   I hope he realizes how lucky he is to have a sibling like you.

AA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Truthman,</p>
<p>Now I understand.  I have a non verbal learning disability which I believe<br />
includes a dyspraxia component.   NLD is also commonly misdiagnosed as ADHD.   </p>
<p>That is good you are keeping a close watch on your brother.   I hope he realizes how lucky he is to have a sibling like you.</p>
<p>AA</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-306708</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry i meant to address that to AA , not pg...
Thanks..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry i meant to address that to AA , not pg&#8230;<br />
Thanks..</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/04/kids-need-an-ekg-before-taking-adhd-meds/#comment-306699</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt dismiss it pg..
I just said that it is diagnostically dubious..
In other words it can and is appled to a range of behaviours in individuals where it is not possible to prove it exists..
That's danger with all psychiatric definitions..
Almost anyone can be diagnosed with any psychiatric disorder because the symptoms are all behavioural..
And those behaviours are inherent and exhibited in all people to some degree..

My younger brother has a "behviour" disorder, he has dyspraxia, he is correctly diagnosed but he could have been easily diagnosed with ADHD because some of his behaviour has the diagnostic characteristic, luckily he had a very astute psychologist who recognised that his behaviour stems from his dyspraxia..

He is also on medication for epilepsy, and guess what? The side effects listed include aggression, rage, depression, suicidal thoughst etc, the med is also used for bipolar (Keppra) , so it would be very easy for a psychiatrist to diagnose his temper tantrums induced from the med as something else, luckily i keep a close eye on his treatment..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt dismiss it pg..<br />
I just said that it is diagnostically dubious..<br />
In other words it can and is appled to a range of behaviours in individuals where it is not possible to prove it exists..<br />
That&#8217;s danger with all psychiatric definitions..<br />
Almost anyone can be diagnosed with any psychiatric disorder because the symptoms are all behavioural..<br />
And those behaviours are inherent and exhibited in all people to some degree..</p>
<p>My younger brother has a &#8220;behviour&#8221; disorder, he has dyspraxia, he is correctly diagnosed but he could have been easily diagnosed with ADHD because some of his behaviour has the diagnostic characteristic, luckily he had a very astute psychologist who recognised that his behaviour stems from his dyspraxia..</p>
<p>He is also on medication for epilepsy, and guess what? The side effects listed include aggression, rage, depression, suicidal thoughst etc, the med is also used for bipolar (Keppra) , so it would be very easy for a psychiatrist to diagnose his temper tantrums induced from the med as something else, luckily i keep a close eye on his treatment..</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, it seems like a convenient way to get loads of people to get EKGs and for *those* people to get reimbursements. One can see corruption anywhere you look. People really need to work with their docs as individuals not as part of a statistical group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, it seems like a convenient way to get loads of people to get EKGs and for *those* people to get reimbursements. One can see corruption anywhere you look. People really need to work with their docs as individuals not as part of a statistical group.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie, 

The doctor who made that idiotic comment is a consultant to Shire, which sells Adderall, and McNeil Pediatrics, which markets Concerta.

That says it all.

AA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie, </p>
<p>The doctor who made that idiotic comment is a consultant to Shire, which sells Adderall, and McNeil Pediatrics, which markets Concerta.</p>
<p>That says it all.</p>
<p>AA</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PG,

As one who has gotten some benefit from CHADD local support groups, I don't want to totally trash them.   But to answer your question, the answer is yes.

What greatly angers me further about this organization is that while they allow drug companies to advertise at will in CHADD magazines, they don't demand that in return, the companies have plans to help people who can't afford to pay for the meds.  I complained bitterly about this to CHADD headquarters but of course, no one listened.

A few years ago, my health insurance prescription deductible was reached mid year and I was scrambling to pay for meds.   I brought some of my meds from Canada but due to US regulations, wasn't allowed to purchase Adderall from the country.  Of course, depending on the insurance plan, you're allowed to purchase Adderall through a mail order pharmacy.   Hmm.

Because the company that made Adderall didn't have a patient assistance plan, I was forced to pay full price for the drug and it was expensive.   I thank god I am off that med as I am without health insurance.

Anyway, fish oil capsules are working great and while they aren't cheap (at least the brand that I am using isn't), the risk/reward ratio is a million times better.

AA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG,</p>
<p>As one who has gotten some benefit from CHADD local support groups, I don&#8217;t want to totally trash them.   But to answer your question, the answer is yes.</p>
<p>What greatly angers me further about this organization is that while they allow drug companies to advertise at will in CHADD magazines, they don&#8217;t demand that in return, the companies have plans to help people who can&#8217;t afford to pay for the meds.  I complained bitterly about this to CHADD headquarters but of course, no one listened.</p>
<p>A few years ago, my health insurance prescription deductible was reached mid year and I was scrambling to pay for meds.   I brought some of my meds from Canada but due to US regulations, wasn&#8217;t allowed to purchase Adderall from the country.  Of course, depending on the insurance plan, you&#8217;re allowed to purchase Adderall through a mail order pharmacy.   Hmm.</p>
<p>Because the company that made Adderall didn&#8217;t have a patient assistance plan, I was forced to pay full price for the drug and it was expensive.   I thank god I am off that med as I am without health insurance.</p>
<p>Anyway, fish oil capsules are working great and while they aren&#8217;t cheap (at least the brand that I am using isn&#8217;t), the risk/reward ratio is a million times better.</p>
<p>AA</p>
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