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		<title>By: atlex</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, the physician master file doesn't contain prescribing data.  Rich is exactly right.  It allows the data companies to link prescribing data to physicians.

JiM, please cite a reference for your 19% number.  If you like, I can cite the federal government is a reference that &#60;12% of health care spending is on prescription drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, the physician master file doesn&#8217;t contain prescribing data.  Rich is exactly right.  It allows the data companies to link prescribing data to physicians.</p>
<p>JiM, please cite a reference for your 19% number.  If you like, I can cite the federal government is a reference that &lt;12% of health care spending is on prescription drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich V,

According to http://carlatpsychiatry.blogspot.com/2007/09/prescription-data-mining-transparent-ly.html The AMA makes over $40 million a year by leasing out its physician Masterfile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich V,</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://carlatpsychiatry.blogspot.com/2007/09/prescription-data-mining-transparent-ly.html" rel="nofollow">http://carlatpsychiatry.blogspot.com/2007/09/prescription-data-mining-transparent-ly.html</a> The AMA makes over $40 million a year by leasing out its physician Masterfile.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norman,

The AMA doesn't sell prescribing data.  They don't have access to this data.  prescribing data is sold by pharmacies, and others who have access to it, to healthcare information companies.  They compile all the data and license it back to pharmaceutical companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norman,</p>
<p>The AMA doesn&#8217;t sell prescribing data.  They don&#8217;t have access to this data.  prescribing data is sold by pharmacies, and others who have access to it, to healthcare information companies.  They compile all the data and license it back to pharmaceutical companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,
Good points, except remember that the Fed Govt (us) pays for about 40% of all meds. Also the ultimate consumer does not make the choice, and the majority of ultimate consumers of drugs are the elderly, many easily confused unfortunately. My only reserve is the misleading promotion that has been and will continue to be pushed at MDs. Branded rxs are sig more costly than generics and many great drugs are now generic - statins, ACEIs, Ca blockers, b-blockers etc - So I would rahter pharma not have this data - based on their own uncontrollable quest for profits at any cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,<br />
Good points, except remember that the Fed Govt (us) pays for about 40% of all meds. Also the ultimate consumer does not make the choice, and the majority of ultimate consumers of drugs are the elderly, many easily confused unfortunately. My only reserve is the misleading promotion that has been and will continue to be pushed at MDs. Branded rxs are sig more costly than generics and many great drugs are now generic - statins, ACEIs, Ca blockers, b-blockers etc - So I would rahter pharma not have this data - based on their own uncontrollable quest for profits at any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Silverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Norman,

I'm not sure if you're complaining about the headline, but I didn't intend to be dismissive or insulting. I couldn't fit Fugh-Berman in the headline. But I still wanted to personalize this somehow because it's Q&#038;A. Hope this helps.

Regards
ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Norman,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re complaining about the headline, but I didn&#8217;t intend to be dismissive or insulting. I couldn&#8217;t fit Fugh-Berman in the headline. But I still wanted to personalize this somehow because it&#8217;s Q&#038;A. Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
ed</p>
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		<title>By: norman kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>norman kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that Dr. Fugh-Berman was addressed as
"AMA Data Mining Plan Is A Dud… Adriane Explains." 

After all, the woman is a medical doctor and not merely an academic. I doubt that if she had been a male,she would have been addressed as such. By doing this, her views can be addressed out of hand because a) she's a woman; b) she's an academic. However, she is a medical doctor who knows what she's talking about. 

The AMA isn't fully up to the task of regulating itself, because, despite free-market rhetoric, its job is to look after the health interest of the public. Oh, but that kind of contradictions its trade association mission, which is to look after its proprietary interests, right?

No one is begrudging MDs making a living, but there seems to be a conflict of interest in the AMA selling its members Rx information and giving Rx firms the inside track to it, and then developing a "plan" to merely mollify reasonable legislative oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Dr. Fugh-Berman was addressed as<br />
&#8220;AMA Data Mining Plan Is A Dud… Adriane Explains.&#8221; </p>
<p>After all, the woman is a medical doctor and not merely an academic. I doubt that if she had been a male,she would have been addressed as such. By doing this, her views can be addressed out of hand because a) she&#8217;s a woman; b) she&#8217;s an academic. However, she is a medical doctor who knows what she&#8217;s talking about. </p>
<p>The AMA isn&#8217;t fully up to the task of regulating itself, because, despite free-market rhetoric, its job is to look after the health interest of the public. Oh, but that kind of contradictions its trade association mission, which is to look after its proprietary interests, right?</p>
<p>No one is begrudging MDs making a living, but there seems to be a conflict of interest in the AMA selling its members Rx information and giving Rx firms the inside track to it, and then developing a &#8220;plan&#8221; to merely mollify reasonable legislative oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of points - 

Irony is that much regulatory effort has gone into _defending_ free market.  Kefauver hearings were originally about price-fixing and industry's attempt to end competition.  Antibiotics were central in all this, and thus is was the industry itself that was ready to flush away innovation encouraged by market.

Re: drug costs, latest estimates are closer to 19% of total medical costs.  PhRMA has been using the lower number for a long time, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of points - </p>
<p>Irony is that much regulatory effort has gone into _defending_ free market.  Kefauver hearings were originally about price-fixing and industry&#8217;s attempt to end competition.  Antibiotics were central in all this, and thus is was the industry itself that was ready to flush away innovation encouraged by market.</p>
<p>Re: drug costs, latest estimates are closer to 19% of total medical costs.  PhRMA has been using the lower number for a long time, but it doesn&#8217;t stand up to scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc,
I have to agree with Bruce.  In a free-market (with some regulations) economy, companies must market.  And the more precise the data, the better the marketing.  I suspect the vast majority of physicians would rather have targeted marketing--then they only see reps that have something of interest to them.  Most of the physicians I see know we have data; it only bothers those who seem to think that medicine is some sort of sacred subset of the economy that should be treated as somehow off-limits to the exigencies of the market economy.  

Most of the physicians like that suffer from one terrible deficit in their education:  they don't understand the free market, capitalism and economics.  The equation is simple, as Bruce pointed out:  marketing drives sales, sales provide profits which in turn allow further risk-taking and development of potentially (POTENTIALLY) profitable products.  Nathan has pointed out elsewhere that antibiotic research is in the toilet because it is no longer profitable.  

If the objection is that because physicians like their reps they will prescribe more expensive drugs (and don't we wish it were that easy), then let's look at the core assumption driving this lament:  medical care should be paid for by someone other than the patient.  If you don't concede that medical care is a "right" granted by the constitution and something that should be paid for all by the few, then you come down to patients being responsible for their own care--and perhaps then making cost-based decisions.  

Granted that some sort of pooling of risk and consequent subsidization of care for some is necessary, that doesn't mean that care should be "free" and therefore not scrutinized by the consumer.  I think the vast majority of the populace should pay for most of their care--especially maintenance and preventive care.  Let the subsidization process kick in with major expenses.  Let patients choose among plans that offer more or fewer benefits such as branded drugs, IVF, sex-change operations, mental health benefits, etc.

And let's not lose sight of the fact that drug costs are only about 12% of total medical costs in this country.  You could ban drugs entirely and not make much of a dent in the medical economy of this country. And that's assuming that the 12% that is spent on drugs does nothing to lower other costs, which is an erroneous assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,<br />
I have to agree with Bruce.  In a free-market (with some regulations) economy, companies must market.  And the more precise the data, the better the marketing.  I suspect the vast majority of physicians would rather have targeted marketing&#8211;then they only see reps that have something of interest to them.  Most of the physicians I see know we have data; it only bothers those who seem to think that medicine is some sort of sacred subset of the economy that should be treated as somehow off-limits to the exigencies of the market economy.  </p>
<p>Most of the physicians like that suffer from one terrible deficit in their education:  they don&#8217;t understand the free market, capitalism and economics.  The equation is simple, as Bruce pointed out:  marketing drives sales, sales provide profits which in turn allow further risk-taking and development of potentially (POTENTIALLY) profitable products.  Nathan has pointed out elsewhere that antibiotic research is in the toilet because it is no longer profitable.  </p>
<p>If the objection is that because physicians like their reps they will prescribe more expensive drugs (and don&#8217;t we wish it were that easy), then let&#8217;s look at the core assumption driving this lament:  medical care should be paid for by someone other than the patient.  If you don&#8217;t concede that medical care is a &#8220;right&#8221; granted by the constitution and something that should be paid for all by the few, then you come down to patients being responsible for their own care&#8211;and perhaps then making cost-based decisions.  </p>
<p>Granted that some sort of pooling of risk and consequent subsidization of care for some is necessary, that doesn&#8217;t mean that care should be &#8220;free&#8221; and therefore not scrutinized by the consumer.  I think the vast majority of the populace should pay for most of their care&#8211;especially maintenance and preventive care.  Let the subsidization process kick in with major expenses.  Let patients choose among plans that offer more or fewer benefits such as branded drugs, IVF, sex-change operations, mental health benefits, etc.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that drug costs are only about 12% of total medical costs in this country.  You could ban drugs entirely and not make much of a dent in the medical economy of this country. And that&#8217;s assuming that the 12% that is spent on drugs does nothing to lower other costs, which is an erroneous assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,
From many years on the marketing/sales side, it think taking the rx data out of pharma's hands is a good thing. After all, isnt the stated mission of virtually every company patient well being. By using rx volume for targeting efforts, many lower to mid volume prescribers are ignored. Are their patients not 'worth' the investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
From many years on the marketing/sales side, it think taking the rx data out of pharma&#8217;s hands is a good thing. After all, isnt the stated mission of virtually every company patient well being. By using rx volume for targeting efforts, many lower to mid volume prescribers are ignored. Are their patients not &#8216;worth&#8217; the investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc,

Let me repeat, I'm not arguing that physicians are too smart to be influenced by marketing...just that in a market economy marketing is what marketers do, subject to regulation. And that, whether or not an opt-in system is preferable, physicians *are* smart enough to opt out.

Assuming that we're not going to change our economic system, those who have problems with marketing prescription drugs have every right to advocate specific regulatory measures to correct abuses or market distortions.

Remember, taking physician prescribing data out of the equation will do nothing in and of itself to stop the pharmaceutical industry from marketing to physicians...it will just make that marketing less precise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,</p>
<p>Let me repeat, I&#8217;m not arguing that physicians are too smart to be influenced by marketing&#8230;just that in a market economy marketing is what marketers do, subject to regulation. And that, whether or not an opt-in system is preferable, physicians *are* smart enough to opt out.</p>
<p>Assuming that we&#8217;re not going to change our economic system, those who have problems with marketing prescription drugs have every right to advocate specific regulatory measures to correct abuses or market distortions.</p>
<p>Remember, taking physician prescribing data out of the equation will do nothing in and of itself to stop the pharmaceutical industry from marketing to physicians&#8230;it will just make that marketing less precise.</p>
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