Comments on: NPR: On The Air, But Not In The Open http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/ News, Comment and Conversation Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:42:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: truthman30 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356987 truthman30 Mon, 19 May 2008 11:18:43 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356987 I think you should stick to posting on cafepharma HC, now that it is obvious what your agenda is.. I think you should stick to posting on cafepharma HC, now that it is obvious what your agenda is..

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356986 pg Mon, 19 May 2008 11:08:02 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356986 HorusCat, you don't get under my skin - what makes you think you do? HorusCat, you don’t get under my skin - what makes you think you do?

]]> By: HorusCat http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356984 HorusCat Mon, 19 May 2008 10:32:26 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356984 pg, Got under your skin, did I? Since Ed and I are cool, what you think doesn't much matter, does it? pg,
Got under your skin, did I? Since Ed and I are cool, what you think doesn’t much matter, does it?

]]> By: truthman30 http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356983 truthman30 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:06:53 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356983 "pg http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=264688 "I got banned at Pharmalot! If you go to the Melody Petersen thread on Pharmalot, you can find my posts under HorusCat. Pharmalot will no longer accept my posts, and they pulled the last few I made. Seems that Ed can't tolerate anyone who doesn't buy the "Evil Pharma" schtick and who actually uses evidence to support arguments instead of engaging in shrill fear-mongering and woe-is-me pharma bashing. I have to admit that some of my posts weren't always very "nice," but then no one has ever accused me of being nice. I am a snarky curmudgeon. Those people just make me want to slap them" It seems HC has a bit of explaining to do!!! So what's the deal HC? You just come to pharmalot to inflame is that it? “pg

http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=264688

“I got banned at Pharmalot!
If you go to the Melody Petersen thread on Pharmalot, you can find my posts under HorusCat. Pharmalot will no longer accept my posts, and they pulled the last few I made. Seems that Ed can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t buy the “Evil Pharma” schtick and who actually uses evidence to support arguments instead of engaging in shrill fear-mongering and woe-is-me pharma bashing.

I have to admit that some of my posts weren’t always very “nice,” but then no one has ever accused me of being nice. I am a snarky curmudgeon. Those people just make me want to slap them”

It seems HC has a bit of explaining to do!!!
So what’s the deal HC?
You just come to pharmalot to inflame is that it?

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356980 pg Mon, 19 May 2008 02:00:20 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356980 http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=264688 http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=264688

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356978 pg Mon, 19 May 2008 01:09:25 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356978 As to "There was schizophrenia before antipsychotics. And those schizophrenics progressed into total mental degeneration, just as do untreated schizophrenics today. Autopsy of their brains showed ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy. What was the cause of this, I wonder, absent malicious pharmaceutical industries and negligent physicians? ...' We know little of how the brain works NOW, what autopsies of brains before antipsychotics - weren't they around in the 1950's? - would have had the technology that would be able to SUGGEST (as they do now) that ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy was due to schizophrenia in the 1940's? As to “There was schizophrenia before antipsychotics. And those schizophrenics progressed into total mental degeneration, just as do untreated schizophrenics today. Autopsy of their brains showed ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy. What was the cause of this, I wonder, absent malicious pharmaceutical industries and negligent physicians? …’

We know little of how the brain works NOW, what autopsies of brains before antipsychotics - weren’t they around in the 1950’s? - would have had the technology that would be able to SUGGEST (as they do now) that ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy was due to schizophrenia in the 1940’s?

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356977 pg Mon, 19 May 2008 01:01:38 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356977 Gee PharmaCat. You ASSUME a lot. And you're almost always wrong. You ASSUME I don't have children. You ASSUME that commentors know nothing about the issues. You ASSUME that comments you don't agree with have 'no personal experience'. Generally you ASSUME far too much. Gee PharmaCat. You ASSUME a lot. And you’re almost always wrong. You ASSUME I don’t have children. You ASSUME that commentors know nothing about the issues. You ASSUME that comments you don’t agree with have ‘no personal experience’.

Generally you ASSUME far too much.

]]> By: HorusCat http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356976 HorusCat Mon, 19 May 2008 00:38:22 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356976 pg, You don't have children, but you have an awful lot of opinions about how other people should raise theirs. Like other "activists" in other areas, you don't actually care about the individuals involved--you only care about the abstract. Your endless little links divorced from any personal experience (other than watching YouTube) render you sterile. There was schizophrenia before antipsychotics. And those schizophrenics progressed into total mental degeneration, just as do untreated schizophrenics today. Autopsy of their brains showed ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy. What was the cause of this, I wonder, absent malicious pharmaceutical industries and negligent physicians? BTW, mommies have always worked. From farms to factories to the endless duties necessary simply to keep a family functioning from prehistoric times to the present, women have worked. Up until recently, the children did also. The luxury of "staying home" with one's children is an artifact of modern society. Most of society has moved beyond the concept of barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, pg, or haven't you noticed? Not all of us have the leisure to take our showers at 2 in the afternoon and just be getting out of the house... Gotta run. Gotta take the duct tape off the kids' mouths and pull them out of the closet where I keep them while I play on the internet. I guess maybe I'll feed them tonight and let them urinate before I strap them into their beds. They've got an early morning tomorrow--no school for them! It's off to the salt mines; gotta earn my retirement for me. pg,
You don’t have children, but you have an awful lot of opinions about how other people should raise theirs. Like other “activists” in other areas, you don’t actually care about the individuals involved–you only care about the abstract. Your endless little links divorced from any personal experience (other than watching YouTube) render you sterile.

There was schizophrenia before antipsychotics. And those schizophrenics progressed into total mental degeneration, just as do untreated schizophrenics today. Autopsy of their brains showed ventricular enlargement and cortical atrophy. What was the cause of this, I wonder, absent malicious pharmaceutical industries and negligent physicians?

BTW, mommies have always worked. From farms to factories to the endless duties necessary simply to keep a family functioning from prehistoric times to the present, women have worked. Up until recently, the children did also. The luxury of “staying home” with one’s children is an artifact of modern society. Most of society has moved beyond the concept of barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, pg, or haven’t you noticed? Not all of us have the leisure to take our showers at 2 in the afternoon and just be getting out of the house…

Gotta run. Gotta take the duct tape off the kids’ mouths and pull them out of the closet where I keep them while I play on the internet. I guess maybe I’ll feed them tonight and let them urinate before I strap them into their beds. They’ve got an early morning tomorrow–no school for them! It’s off to the salt mines; gotta earn my retirement for me.

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356975 pg Sun, 18 May 2008 22:58:53 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356975 "...Taking on the critics has become somewhat of a personal mission for Pitts, who was formerly FDA's associate commissioner for external relations, and is now senior vice president for global health affairs at the PR firm Manning, Selvage & Lee. He's bent on getting industry to stand up and speak its mind--and he leads by example. His blog takes on politicians, journalists, medical journals, or, he says, "anybody out there with a score to settle..." http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-6902441_ITM He also takes on (or more accurately resorts to personal attacks and name calling) anyone with a name that has the courage and ethics to try to make a difference for the better. “…Taking on the critics has become somewhat of a personal mission for Pitts, who was formerly FDA’s associate commissioner for external relations, and is now senior vice president for global health affairs at the PR firm Manning, Selvage & Lee. He’s bent on getting industry to stand up and speak its mind–and he leads by example. His blog takes on politicians, journalists, medical journals, or, he says, “anybody out there with a score to settle…” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-6902441_ITM

He also takes on (or more accurately resorts to personal attacks and name calling) anyone with a name that has the courage and ethics to try to make a difference for the better.

]]> By: pg http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/05/npr-on-the-air-but-not-in-the-open/#comment-356974 pg Sun, 18 May 2008 21:55:34 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=13497#comment-356974 If Schizophrenia is a "provably organic disorder with a progressive course leading to brain atrophy and ventricular enlargement" as someone stated way up this thread somewhere, then WHY is it that researchers still debate whether problems like child abuse can be the cause of schizophrenia (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060614120625.htm )? If it isn't organic, then what factor exists in people diagnosed as "schizophrenic" (and then 'studied' in research) which leads to brain atrophy? The same factor that causes Tardive Dyskenisa perhaps? The antipsychotic "treatment"? The "treatment" now being given to toddlers and older children for behaviour that apparently constitutes a diagnosis of ADHD, and other things not even related to psychosis? Could it be, as this blogger (http://redlifehome.blogspress.net/2008/05/06/no-clozapine-from-the-doctor-the-company-or-the-fda ) says: "...the psychiatric establishment, underpinned by the pharmaceutical industry, has glossed over studies showing that antipsychotics cause extensive damage the most startling being permanent brain atrophy brain damage or tardive dyskinesia." ? If Schizophrenia is a “provably organic disorder with a progressive course leading to brain atrophy and ventricular enlargement” as someone stated way up this thread somewhere, then

WHY is it that researchers still debate whether problems like child abuse can be the cause of schizophrenia (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060614120625.htm )?

If it isn’t organic, then what factor exists in people diagnosed as “schizophrenic” (and then ’studied’ in research) which leads to brain atrophy?

The same factor that causes Tardive Dyskenisa perhaps?
The antipsychotic “treatment”? The “treatment” now being given to toddlers and older children for behaviour that apparently constitutes a diagnosis of ADHD, and other things not even related to psychosis?

Could it be, as this blogger (http://redlifehome.blogspress.net/2008/05/06/no-clozapine-from-the-doctor-the-company-or-the-fda ) says:

“…the psychiatric establishment, underpinned by the pharmaceutical industry, has glossed over studies showing that antipsychotics cause extensive damage the most startling being permanent brain atrophy brain damage or tardive dyskinesia.” ?

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