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		<title>By: Jane Hitchings</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/8-drugs-that-doctors-would-never-take/#comment-365414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hitchings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As pharm rep &#38; a patient, I have become extremely disappointed by how the doctors have succumbed to practicing media based medicine. They should be practicing evidence based medicine. I am extremely cautious when I refer friends &#38; family to doctors I call on. No doubt articles as irresponsible as this fuel the fire. However it is important as a patient to be knowledgeable about disease states that affect you, but a doctor should also be willing to educate themselves on the facts so when a patient asks a question about a drug or disease state they can answer with facts not with media headlines. Dr. Mintz is someone I would refer loved ones to. He does practice evidence based medicine, very few do. All patients have a right to see doctors that do, most are not aware their doctors don't which adds to this snowball affect of misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As pharm rep &amp; a patient, I have become extremely disappointed by how the doctors have succumbed to practicing media based medicine. They should be practicing evidence based medicine. I am extremely cautious when I refer friends &amp; family to doctors I call on. No doubt articles as irresponsible as this fuel the fire. However it is important as a patient to be knowledgeable about disease states that affect you, but a doctor should also be willing to educate themselves on the facts so when a patient asks a question about a drug or disease state they can answer with facts not with media headlines. Dr. Mintz is someone I would refer loved ones to. He does practice evidence based medicine, very few do. All patients have a right to see doctors that do, most are not aware their doctors don&#8217;t which adds to this snowball affect of misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: Larissa Surchin</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/8-drugs-that-doctors-would-never-take/#comment-364636</link>
		<dc:creator>Larissa Surchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe the irresponsible nature of this article. While surely a couple of the drugs have some signficant issues, other drugs on the list are ludicrous. Check out this blog from a respected physician for a more balanced viewpoint: http://drmintz.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe the irresponsible nature of this article. While surely a couple of the drugs have some signficant issues, other drugs on the list are ludicrous. Check out this blog from a respected physician for a more balanced viewpoint: <a href="http://drmintz.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://drmintz.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm..

Just Two Glaxo Drugs out of the 8? ..
Not surprised at that..
I am surprised that Paxil or Zyprexa wasn't on the list though...
Both are killers..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm..</p>
<p>Just Two Glaxo Drugs out of the 8? ..<br />
Not surprised at that..<br />
I am surprised that Paxil or Zyprexa wasn&#8217;t on the list though&#8230;<br />
Both are killers..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following this story pretty closely.  It has grown great legs.  In the past few days it has been picked up by outlets.  So anyone who thinks that sources such as this are not a factor in how patients think - please reconsider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following this story pretty closely.  It has grown great legs.  In the past few days it has been picked up by outlets.  So anyone who thinks that sources such as this are not a factor in how patients think - please reconsider.</p>
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		<title>By: roccaas</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/8-drugs-that-doctors-would-never-take/#comment-363211</link>
		<dc:creator>roccaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metformin instead of a glitazone??  How many people died from Glucophage every year: metabolic acidosis, contrasting dye procedures.  It's predecessor Phenformin was removed from the market after several deaths in the '70's. 

 The studies that MD's used to Rx this medicine 10 years ago studied doses that were far smaller than those used in clinical practice.

Maybe you should try Oranase or another 1st generation Sulfonylurea's so that if you get low blood sugar it will last for over 24 hours.

Beyond diet and exercise, if I was diagnosed today with Type 2, I'd consider the appropriate dose of insulin and skip all of the pills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metformin instead of a glitazone??  How many people died from Glucophage every year: metabolic acidosis, contrasting dye procedures.  It&#8217;s predecessor Phenformin was removed from the market after several deaths in the &#8217;70&#8217;s. </p>
<p> The studies that MD&#8217;s used to Rx this medicine 10 years ago studied doses that were far smaller than those used in clinical practice.</p>
<p>Maybe you should try Oranase or another 1st generation Sulfonylurea&#8217;s so that if you get low blood sugar it will last for over 24 hours.</p>
<p>Beyond diet and exercise, if I was diagnosed today with Type 2, I&#8217;d consider the appropriate dose of insulin and skip all of the pills.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/8-drugs-that-doctors-would-never-take/#comment-363142</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. H

"I don’t generally think of Men’s Health as being an authoritative resource on much other than how to get cut abs in 8 weeks"

I'm sure few, if any, in health care think this...but they DO have a very broad and rather loyal readership and they WILL sway opinion, particularly in what I believe to be their key demographic, in this case I would say to the health detriment of their readership.


"It may have been a brave move for Men’s Health to publish this article, how much PhARMA ad revenue will they lose. Maybe Dr. Giorgianni can tell us if Pfizer is advertising Viagra there? If so, it is hard to see that going on much longer?"

I don't think it brave at all - just a good read on the temperament of the public and what sort of material will drive non-subscribers to buy the magazine from the-rack.  As to any ED-product ads, not sure if there are anymore in there, but if not I would be surprised.  Again, the demographic, given the current "enhance your sexual experience" themes is what drives the ads buy decisions, not so much what the editorial is.  If this logic prevailed in the ad-purchase and promotional response models there would hardly be any PhARMA or BIO ads in the likes of NEJM, JAMA or Lancet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. H</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t generally think of Men’s Health as being an authoritative resource on much other than how to get cut abs in 8 weeks&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure few, if any, in health care think this&#8230;but they DO have a very broad and rather loyal readership and they WILL sway opinion, particularly in what I believe to be their key demographic, in this case I would say to the health detriment of their readership.</p>
<p>&#8220;It may have been a brave move for Men’s Health to publish this article, how much PhARMA ad revenue will they lose. Maybe Dr. Giorgianni can tell us if Pfizer is advertising Viagra there? If so, it is hard to see that going on much longer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it brave at all - just a good read on the temperament of the public and what sort of material will drive non-subscribers to buy the magazine from the-rack.  As to any ED-product ads, not sure if there are anymore in there, but if not I would be surprised.  Again, the demographic, given the current &#8220;enhance your sexual experience&#8221; themes is what drives the ads buy decisions, not so much what the editorial is.  If this logic prevailed in the ad-purchase and promotional response models there would hardly be any PhARMA or BIO ads in the likes of NEJM, JAMA or Lancet.</p>
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		<title>By: M Helm, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Helm, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't generally think of Men's Health as being an authoritative resource on much other than how to get cut abs in 8 weeks, so I'm not sure how much play this story will get.  My list of drugs I won't take includes some of the same, but the rationales given by the MDs quoted are a little sketchy - and in some cases not supported by evidence.

I think the pan of Advair (which should also have included Symbicort to be fair and balanced) was too simplistic, and gave information which is counter to what we know, and NHLBI asthma treatment guidelines for adults.

The accupuncture recommendation - while laughable - actually has at least one study which showed significant benefit for low back pain versus meds (can't recall if it was NSAIDs or opiates).  It doesn't even have to be GOOD (classical Chinese) accupuncture.  It seems that the prolonged interaction with a caregiver, and the BELIEF that it was effective generated nearly the same benefit as the classical Chinese approach, both accupuncture arms (classical and "random") were at least as effective in pain relief as the meds.

J.I.M. I won't wager a pen on the NSAID CV risk outcomes, but only because I buy my own.  I'm thinking that the greater the difference between COX-1 and COX-2 toward the COX-2, the greater the risks will be see for CV events, but at the moment the jury is still out.  With more than a dozen NSAID alternatives, not including acetaminophen and the oft-forgotten non-acetylated salicylates (the latter, for me would be the only agents I would use in bleeding/disordered clotting conditions), there are plenty of alternatives, and several approaches to avoid GI upset.

Too bad that the magazine didn't take the opportunity to point out treatments which are uniquely beneficial.  I'm thinking, inhaled steroids (alone) for most persistent asthma, saline irrigation and/or intranasal steroids for allergic rhinitis and nose problems, thiazide diuretics, and ACE inhibitors for CV risk reduction (throw in statins, aspirin, beta blockers, and maybe even ARBs too if you want - especially for the secondary prevention), CPAP for snoring, cognitive behavioral therapy with or without SSRIs for depression/anxiety, etc.

CMC Guy, I think you've got it right, and I'm probably one of those conservative MD types. Then again after my PhRMA experiences (and before medical school), I decided not to personally use any new medicines in the first two to three years after US marketing. If you think the PDR is bad, try reading (virtually)every word of Goodman and Gilman's text.  Katzung's text is for those who only read the Cliff's Notes.

It may have been a brave move for Men's Health to publish this article, how much PhRMA ad revenue will they lose.  Maybe Dr. Giorgianni can tell us if Pfizer is advertising Viagra there?  If so, it is hard to see that going on much longer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t generally think of Men&#8217;s Health as being an authoritative resource on much other than how to get cut abs in 8 weeks, so I&#8217;m not sure how much play this story will get.  My list of drugs I won&#8217;t take includes some of the same, but the rationales given by the MDs quoted are a little sketchy - and in some cases not supported by evidence.</p>
<p>I think the pan of Advair (which should also have included Symbicort to be fair and balanced) was too simplistic, and gave information which is counter to what we know, and NHLBI asthma treatment guidelines for adults.</p>
<p>The accupuncture recommendation - while laughable - actually has at least one study which showed significant benefit for low back pain versus meds (can&#8217;t recall if it was NSAIDs or opiates).  It doesn&#8217;t even have to be GOOD (classical Chinese) accupuncture.  It seems that the prolonged interaction with a caregiver, and the BELIEF that it was effective generated nearly the same benefit as the classical Chinese approach, both accupuncture arms (classical and &#8220;random&#8221;) were at least as effective in pain relief as the meds.</p>
<p>J.I.M. I won&#8217;t wager a pen on the NSAID CV risk outcomes, but only because I buy my own.  I&#8217;m thinking that the greater the difference between COX-1 and COX-2 toward the COX-2, the greater the risks will be see for CV events, but at the moment the jury is still out.  With more than a dozen NSAID alternatives, not including acetaminophen and the oft-forgotten non-acetylated salicylates (the latter, for me would be the only agents I would use in bleeding/disordered clotting conditions), there are plenty of alternatives, and several approaches to avoid GI upset.</p>
<p>Too bad that the magazine didn&#8217;t take the opportunity to point out treatments which are uniquely beneficial.  I&#8217;m thinking, inhaled steroids (alone) for most persistent asthma, saline irrigation and/or intranasal steroids for allergic rhinitis and nose problems, thiazide diuretics, and ACE inhibitors for CV risk reduction (throw in statins, aspirin, beta blockers, and maybe even ARBs too if you want - especially for the secondary prevention), CPAP for snoring, cognitive behavioral therapy with or without SSRIs for depression/anxiety, etc.</p>
<p>CMC Guy, I think you&#8217;ve got it right, and I&#8217;m probably one of those conservative MD types. Then again after my PhRMA experiences (and before medical school), I decided not to personally use any new medicines in the first two to three years after US marketing. If you think the PDR is bad, try reading (virtually)every word of Goodman and Gilman&#8217;s text.  Katzung&#8217;s text is for those who only read the Cliff&#8217;s Notes.</p>
<p>It may have been a brave move for Men&#8217;s Health to publish this article, how much PhRMA ad revenue will they lose.  Maybe Dr. Giorgianni can tell us if Pfizer is advertising Viagra there?  If so, it is hard to see that going on much longer?</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Jaynesday - As you probably know, Public Citizen/Health Research Group already publishes Best Pills, Worst Pills in both monthly and yearly volumes, on line and hard copy.  My guess is that most, if not all, of the meds listed here are also on PC's "do not take" list.

Therapeutics Initiative, which can be accessed on line, also has evidence-based assessments of many of the meds listed.  They are based at the University of British Columbia.

And there are others, as Bob and others well know.

Wider point - Some will fault these organizations for one reason or another.  But they provide an opportunity to hear what are clearly non-promotional assessments.  From there, it's up to each of us.  (I personally take a couple of meds that PC says "don't use.")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Jaynesday - As you probably know, Public Citizen/Health Research Group already publishes Best Pills, Worst Pills in both monthly and yearly volumes, on line and hard copy.  My guess is that most, if not all, of the meds listed here are also on PC&#8217;s &#8220;do not take&#8221; list.</p>
<p>Therapeutics Initiative, which can be accessed on line, also has evidence-based assessments of many of the meds listed.  They are based at the University of British Columbia.</p>
<p>And there are others, as Bob and others well know.</p>
<p>Wider point - Some will fault these organizations for one reason or another.  But they provide an opportunity to hear what are clearly non-promotional assessments.  From there, it&#8217;s up to each of us.  (I personally take a couple of meds that PC says &#8220;don&#8217;t use.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: CMC guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMC guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ones considers that most the alternative medications or life style changes suggested are less expensive could this simply mean these MDs surveyed don't see the value in many of these medications? Shouldn't generalize yet many docs can be "thrifty personalities" or just not up-to-date on drug comparisons so wouldn't try for themselves as first choice.  While in most cases would think it probably is best to take the iterative treatment approach, starting at the older/cheaper, at times individuals will see greater benefit from newer/more costly drugs that not seen with alternatives. 

The article is correct that the PDR should be classified as a sleeping aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ones considers that most the alternative medications or life style changes suggested are less expensive could this simply mean these MDs surveyed don&#8217;t see the value in many of these medications? Shouldn&#8217;t generalize yet many docs can be &#8220;thrifty personalities&#8221; or just not up-to-date on drug comparisons so wouldn&#8217;t try for themselves as first choice.  While in most cases would think it probably is best to take the iterative treatment approach, starting at the older/cheaper, at times individuals will see greater benefit from newer/more costly drugs that not seen with alternatives. </p>
<p>The article is correct that the PDR should be classified as a sleeping aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynesday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaynesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A different angle,
Why would Men’s Health publish such a story? Of course their first reason would be to sell more magazines. They would have to assume then that their customers might be concerned about the safety of the drugs that they take enough to give this consideration. The basis of the story is you shouldn’t necessarily trust the drugs that are prescribed to you, or maybe you shouldn’t assume that your own doctor would even take the drugs that are being prescribed to you (not saying that this is true). 

Regardless of what drugs were recommended to avoid, I feel that the underlying concern is the more important issue. I’m stretching it I know but could this be a sign of the awakening of Mr.J.Q.Public? 

Also, this is a lose form of “Consumer Reports for Drugs” which I personally would advocate. Let the consumer give a yea or nay (in a controlled manner, not by magazine)for the drugs/devices they use. Good drugs survive and the bad wither away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A different angle,<br />
Why would Men’s Health publish such a story? Of course their first reason would be to sell more magazines. They would have to assume then that their customers might be concerned about the safety of the drugs that they take enough to give this consideration. The basis of the story is you shouldn’t necessarily trust the drugs that are prescribed to you, or maybe you shouldn’t assume that your own doctor would even take the drugs that are being prescribed to you (not saying that this is true). </p>
<p>Regardless of what drugs were recommended to avoid, I feel that the underlying concern is the more important issue. I’m stretching it I know but could this be a sign of the awakening of Mr.J.Q.Public? </p>
<p>Also, this is a lose form of “Consumer Reports for Drugs” which I personally would advocate. Let the consumer give a yea or nay (in a controlled manner, not by magazine)for the drugs/devices they use. Good drugs survive and the bad wither away.</p>
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