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	<title>Comments on: Did Motrin Blind A Little Girl? A Court Battle Begins</title>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-367079</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi GDL - As has been also discussed on this blog, punitive damages are probably the aspect of the American tort system that require the most reform.  

In most states, they are initially decided by a jury.  Often, the jury expects them to be reduced on appeal, which they virtually always are.  The idea of very large PDs is to "send a message" to other potential wrong-doers, and thus go beyond compensatory damages alone (which are to compensate the wronged parties).

The major problem with PDs is their inconsistency.  This is not the fault of juries.  There are very few guidelines about _how_ to come up with whatever amount - what principles should govern.  The best read on this, in my view, is Prof. Cass Sunstein at U-Chicago.  He has written or edited a number of volumes specifically on punitive damages, including one which is called that, published by Cambridge U Press as I recall.

Most PDs end up being quite small after appeals, etc.  In the recent Exxon Valdez cases, for example, they were reduced to the point that each person whose living was destroyed by the oil spill (mainly fisherman) received the equivalent of about fifty dollars, twenty years later.  That reflected by CDs and PDs.   

They could perhaps buy a fish dinner with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi GDL - As has been also discussed on this blog, punitive damages are probably the aspect of the American tort system that require the most reform.  </p>
<p>In most states, they are initially decided by a jury.  Often, the jury expects them to be reduced on appeal, which they virtually always are.  The idea of very large PDs is to &#8220;send a message&#8221; to other potential wrong-doers, and thus go beyond compensatory damages alone (which are to compensate the wronged parties).</p>
<p>The major problem with PDs is their inconsistency.  This is not the fault of juries.  There are very few guidelines about _how_ to come up with whatever amount - what principles should govern.  The best read on this, in my view, is Prof. Cass Sunstein at U-Chicago.  He has written or edited a number of volumes specifically on punitive damages, including one which is called that, published by Cambridge U Press as I recall.</p>
<p>Most PDs end up being quite small after appeals, etc.  In the recent Exxon Valdez cases, for example, they were reduced to the point that each person whose living was destroyed by the oil spill (mainly fisherman) received the equivalent of about fifty dollars, twenty years later.  That reflected by CDs and PDs.   </p>
<p>They could perhaps buy a fish dinner with that.</p>
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		<title>By: George Daymond Lush</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-367067</link>
		<dc:creator>George Daymond Lush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened upon this site unexpectedly and the responses to the issue (Motrin Lawsuit) are very interesting form the sensible to the hysterical. What interests me is the punitive element. Punitive damages are not unknown in the UK but are, I think, not commonplace. Can somewhone explain to me not why but how punitive damages enter this sort of litigation. Then perhaps tell me who decides them and how do they punish (other than by increasing the defendent's public liability costs which are then passed back to the plaintiff in higher product costs). This may not be the core purpose of this blog but i would be interested if anyone has the time to pen a few words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened upon this site unexpectedly and the responses to the issue (Motrin Lawsuit) are very interesting form the sensible to the hysterical. What interests me is the punitive element. Punitive damages are not unknown in the UK but are, I think, not commonplace. Can somewhone explain to me not why but how punitive damages enter this sort of litigation. Then perhaps tell me who decides them and how do they punish (other than by increasing the defendent&#8217;s public liability costs which are then passed back to the plaintiff in higher product costs). This may not be the core purpose of this blog but i would be interested if anyone has the time to pen a few words.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeGee</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-366632</link>
		<dc:creator>BeeGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about dupe post.  Thought I was editing instead of sending a second post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about dupe post.  Thought I was editing instead of sending a second post.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeGee</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-366631</link>
		<dc:creator>BeeGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reports today are that parents admit giving girl 3 doses over two days for a "mild fever".  Not clear as to whether this meant 3 doses/day for two days or a total of 3 doses in two days.  They also admit that she turned up with a rash after the course of Motrin and they gave her still more Motrin.  

Drug monographs include a mind-numbing amount of detail which most consumers don't bother to read.   I don't know whether larger black box warnings would do any good as most don't read those either.  Rashes are an indication of a problem with almost all drugs.  Educated parents (hers are both engineers) should know this without its having to be written in crayon letters two feet tall.

This sounds as though the parents overlooked their daughter's rash and didn't connect it with her medication or contact the doctor about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports today are that parents admit giving girl 3 doses over two days for a &#8220;mild fever&#8221;.  Not clear as to whether this meant 3 doses/day for two days or a total of 3 doses in two days.  They also admit that she turned up with a rash after the course of Motrin and they gave her still more Motrin.  </p>
<p>Drug monographs include a mind-numbing amount of detail which most consumers don&#8217;t bother to read.   I don&#8217;t know whether larger black box warnings would do any good as most don&#8217;t read those either.  Rashes are an indication of a problem with almost all drugs.  Educated parents (hers are both engineers) should know this without its having to be written in crayon letters two feet tall.</p>
<p>This sounds as though the parents overlooked their daughter&#8217;s rash and didn&#8217;t connect it with her medication or contact the doctor about it.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeeGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reports today are that parents admit giving girl 3 doses over two days for a "mild fever".  Not clear as to whether this meant 3 doses/day for two days or a total of 3 doses in two days.  They also admit that she turned up with a rash and they gave her more Motrin.  

Drug monographs include a mind-numbing amount of detail which most consumers don't bother to read.  I don't know whether larger black box warnings would do any good as most don't read those either.

This sounds as though the parents overlooked their daughter's rash and didn't connect it with her medication or contact the doctor about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports today are that parents admit giving girl 3 doses over two days for a &#8220;mild fever&#8221;.  Not clear as to whether this meant 3 doses/day for two days or a total of 3 doses in two days.  They also admit that she turned up with a rash and they gave her more Motrin.  </p>
<p>Drug monographs include a mind-numbing amount of detail which most consumers don&#8217;t bother to read.  I don&#8217;t know whether larger black box warnings would do any good as most don&#8217;t read those either.</p>
<p>This sounds as though the parents overlooked their daughter&#8217;s rash and didn&#8217;t connect it with her medication or contact the doctor about it.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-363428</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is happening more than you think, hospitals are not reporting this as they should, they are in bed with the pharmicutical companies and children and adults are suffering because of it.  The FDA has failed the people who have payed thier paychecks, this agency should be closed down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is happening more than you think, hospitals are not reporting this as they should, they are in bed with the pharmicutical companies and children and adults are suffering because of it.  The FDA has failed the people who have payed thier paychecks, this agency should be closed down.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-362160</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed

Thanks for the note...my new "retierment job" in academia and my need to try and enjoy the time outside of the Ivy Tower with my family sometimes preclude me from reading all Pharmalot stories.  I am glad to see that more than one side gets protrayed in this publication.  I wish this were the case with all outlets.

I am a big fan of Pharmalot because you are building it the way you are</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed</p>
<p>Thanks for the note&#8230;my new &#8220;retierment job&#8221; in academia and my need to try and enjoy the time outside of the Ivy Tower with my family sometimes preclude me from reading all Pharmalot stories.  I am glad to see that more than one side gets protrayed in this publication.  I wish this were the case with all outlets.</p>
<p>I am a big fan of Pharmalot because you are building it the way you are</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-362143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Sal,

Actually, I have run such items about trial lawyers as recently as earlier this month in connection with fen-phen litigation. 

http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/destroying-documents-fen-phen-lawyers-on-trial/

This was the second such item I've run about this episode in the last couple of months.

Cheers
ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Sal,</p>
<p>Actually, I have run such items about trial lawyers as recently as earlier this month in connection with fen-phen litigation. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/destroying-documents-fen-phen-lawyers-on-trial/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/destroying-documents-fen-phen-lawyers-on-trial/</a></p>
<p>This was the second such item I&#8217;ve run about this episode in the last couple of months.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
ed</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Sal Giorgianni</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-362136</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Sal Giorgianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice 

I am sorry if I have inadvertently engaged in inappropriate generalizations.  Yet, there are some disreputable individuals and organzations on all fronts.  My point was not to impune all trial lawyers but to suggest that I would love to see some reporting in the context of product litigation on poor legal practices as well as poor pharma practices.  When a sensationalistic story, such as the J&#38;J one, first hits there is a lot of buzz but when that same story pans out to lack merit it gets little coverage.  Also, unfortunately, the rhetorical presumption is bad pharma not bad legal action.

 Just looking for a little bit of fair balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice </p>
<p>I am sorry if I have inadvertently engaged in inappropriate generalizations.  Yet, there are some disreputable individuals and organzations on all fronts.  My point was not to impune all trial lawyers but to suggest that I would love to see some reporting in the context of product litigation on poor legal practices as well as poor pharma practices.  When a sensationalistic story, such as the J&amp;J one, first hits there is a lot of buzz but when that same story pans out to lack merit it gets little coverage.  Also, unfortunately, the rhetorical presumption is bad pharma not bad legal action.</p>
<p> Just looking for a little bit of fair balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/did-motrin-blind-this-little-girl-a-court-battle-begins/#comment-362090</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am certain I haven't "bought" anything.

Lana writes: "J&#38;J suppressed information to the FDA despite long time knowledge of these severe complications of SJS…back to the 1980’s. No label warnings added until independent studies from France of over 150 children had been harmed by Motrin in the same way."

If this is true in the significant and relevant ways - that information was willfully suppressed from FDA, that the numbers are such that they can be linked to the drug (as an eventual label change suggests), then it sounds to me like there is, indeed, reason for this trial to go forward.

To assume from the start that it is Greedy Trial Lawyer Extortion, as some posts suggest, is - to me - the same kind of knee-demonizing as those who are "anti-pharma" whatever pharma does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am certain I haven&#8217;t &#8220;bought&#8221; anything.</p>
<p>Lana writes: &#8220;J&amp;J suppressed information to the FDA despite long time knowledge of these severe complications of SJS…back to the 1980’s. No label warnings added until independent studies from France of over 150 children had been harmed by Motrin in the same way.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is true in the significant and relevant ways - that information was willfully suppressed from FDA, that the numbers are such that they can be linked to the drug (as an eventual label change suggests), then it sounds to me like there is, indeed, reason for this trial to go forward.</p>
<p>To assume from the start that it is Greedy Trial Lawyer Extortion, as some posts suggest, is - to me - the same kind of knee-demonizing as those who are &#8220;anti-pharma&#8221; whatever pharma does.</p>
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