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		<title>By: BP MD</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/not-a-great-industry-to-work-for/#comment-358017</link>
		<dc:creator>BP MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been in the industry for 20 years and this is the absolute worst situation I've ever seen.  My company has dug its' own hole like all of the rest and I don't think they'll be climbing out anytime soon.  The industry is full of low-quality research, cover-ups, poor decisions and gross mismanagement.  Once the business people took over from the scientists and the focus became huge profits and great personal wealth, the downhill slide started.  There is no public trust in pharma and integrity has gone out the window.  It's really extremely disgusting to see it happen, but they can only reap what they have sown.  And it's weeds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in the industry for 20 years and this is the absolute worst situation I&#8217;ve ever seen.  My company has dug its&#8217; own hole like all of the rest and I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll be climbing out anytime soon.  The industry is full of low-quality research, cover-ups, poor decisions and gross mismanagement.  Once the business people took over from the scientists and the focus became huge profits and great personal wealth, the downhill slide started.  There is no public trust in pharma and integrity has gone out the window.  It&#8217;s really extremely disgusting to see it happen, but they can only reap what they have sown.  And it&#8217;s weeds!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really terrible news, for all of us.  Needless to say, there was once a very different time.

Some comments blame external pressures.  Others focus on short-term thinking, opppressive corporate cultures, and corruption.

Whatever else, most of us would probably agree that there is a kind of spiral here, in which internal and external factors reinforce each other in the wrong ways. 

Personally, I believe the _right_ regulation and systems of accountability (Justice Dept., FDA, civil liability) - well and clearly targeted - will have to be joined by some revolutionary inner changes as well for things to change significantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really terrible news, for all of us.  Needless to say, there was once a very different time.</p>
<p>Some comments blame external pressures.  Others focus on short-term thinking, opppressive corporate cultures, and corruption.</p>
<p>Whatever else, most of us would probably agree that there is a kind of spiral here, in which internal and external factors reinforce each other in the wrong ways. </p>
<p>Personally, I believe the _right_ regulation and systems of accountability (Justice Dept., FDA, civil liability) - well and clearly targeted - will have to be joined by some revolutionary inner changes as well for things to change significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
Your post is very accurate, but I believe still understates the problem. 

Most new reps are non-science majors, they get a car, very nice salary (about $60K base to start with NO experience, with experience they start about $80K+ base), incentive trips, bonus (usually about $20+K per year), expense account of marketing monies to use on customers. 

They go to the corporate training centers (large and impressive), they are trained what their product does by their company, they are trained how to interpret studies by their company, they are trained what to say and how to answer customer questions or objections by their company, they are sent out into the field with incredible pressure to make their numbers by their company, they are put under a constant false sense of urgency to save the world by their company, they are incentivized to win by their company. Their annual evaluation is based almost exclusively on their prescription sales data. This means that the rep's total motivation and desire to keep their job is $ based. OK, yes this is America, profits are good and needed for R&#38;D. However, if you sit behind the closed doors of marketing and sales mangement in their meetings you will find an interesting thought pattern.

Most companies think doctors are essentially idiots (or they would be using more of their drugs), corporate leaders do not seem to really care about patients - it's the dollars that keep everything afloat in order to save humanity by their R&#38;D. Employees are viewed no different than patients are, totally expendable if it benefits the co in the short term. The public needs to understand - it is not about the patient.

The corporate greed is unbelievable, the worst I have seen in almost 30 years in the industry. The pharma companies are willing to make almost ANY argument to justify their methods.

It has fallen into a very sad state of affairs at most big pharma cos. It is no wonder they are not on any list of best companies, most will not be for years if ever, under current practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
Your post is very accurate, but I believe still understates the problem. </p>
<p>Most new reps are non-science majors, they get a car, very nice salary (about $60K base to start with NO experience, with experience they start about $80K+ base), incentive trips, bonus (usually about $20+K per year), expense account of marketing monies to use on customers. </p>
<p>They go to the corporate training centers (large and impressive), they are trained what their product does by their company, they are trained how to interpret studies by their company, they are trained what to say and how to answer customer questions or objections by their company, they are sent out into the field with incredible pressure to make their numbers by their company, they are put under a constant false sense of urgency to save the world by their company, they are incentivized to win by their company. Their annual evaluation is based almost exclusively on their prescription sales data. This means that the rep&#8217;s total motivation and desire to keep their job is $ based. OK, yes this is America, profits are good and needed for R&amp;D. However, if you sit behind the closed doors of marketing and sales mangement in their meetings you will find an interesting thought pattern.</p>
<p>Most companies think doctors are essentially idiots (or they would be using more of their drugs), corporate leaders do not seem to really care about patients - it&#8217;s the dollars that keep everything afloat in order to save humanity by their R&amp;D. Employees are viewed no different than patients are, totally expendable if it benefits the co in the short term. The public needs to understand - it is not about the patient.</p>
<p>The corporate greed is unbelievable, the worst I have seen in almost 30 years in the industry. The pharma companies are willing to make almost ANY argument to justify their methods.</p>
<p>It has fallen into a very sad state of affairs at most big pharma cos. It is no wonder they are not on any list of best companies, most will not be for years if ever, under current practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/not-a-great-industry-to-work-for/#comment-357994</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an employee at Amgen and can perfectly understand why this company was not ranked.  The morale is at an all time low and folks are being treated very poorly by middle and upper management.  Worse, folks are getting promoted to manangement with little or no experience making for a very tense environment.  

Intimidation tactics rule and harrassment has become the way of life.  If any one  complains to HR they are targeted, and their work life becomes a holy nightmare. Upper management is ignoring blatant violations of corporate policies, focusing instead on rewarding those who do the wrong thing.  This is not the Amgen that was ranked in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an employee at Amgen and can perfectly understand why this company was not ranked.  The morale is at an all time low and folks are being treated very poorly by middle and upper management.  Worse, folks are getting promoted to manangement with little or no experience making for a very tense environment.  </p>
<p>Intimidation tactics rule and harrassment has become the way of life.  If any one  complains to HR they are targeted, and their work life becomes a holy nightmare. Upper management is ignoring blatant violations of corporate policies, focusing instead on rewarding those who do the wrong thing.  This is not the Amgen that was ranked in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You Have Now Been Sampled (Drug Reps, Part 2)

While the pharmaceutical industry’s image and reputation has suffered, and has been complicated with their declining profits due to a few reasons, these companies still apparently insist on keeping most of their gift- givers on board.  Known presently as simply drug reps today, this job has become a vocation void of a sense of accomplishment, which will be described below.
So they may be named at times in different ways, these promoters will be referred to as drug reps, which number close to 100,000 in the U.S. presently, it is believed.  The cost to the pharmaceutical industry of these employees is around 5 billion dollars a year.  Income for each rep grosses close to or above 100,000 grand a year on average, along with great benefits and a company car, as well as stock options as they gladly work from their homes. 
The main function these days of drug reps, I believe, is primarily to offer doctors various types of inducements of a certain value.   The drug sampling of doctors may be considered an inducement, and a rather valuable one for the drug rep, as many believe that these samples are what ultimately influence the doctor’s prescribing habits over anything else, including statements from drug reps.  This may be why the drug industry spends around 20 billion every year on samples.
 While historically drug reps have used their persuasive abilities to influence the prescribing habits of doctors in an honest and ethical manner.  However presently, most health care providers now simply refuse to speak with them, or have banned all drug reps permanently from their practices for a number of reasons, including the recommendations from their colleagues.  It is possible that this may be due to the following reasons:
1.	 The doctors lose money.  Doctors are normally busy, so their time is valuable.  As a drug rep, you are a waste of their time.  Yet they will accept your samples still.  The credibility you possibly have as a rep is not considered anymore to be present in your vocation due to various controversies associated with the pharmaceutical industry, it is speculated.
2.	Most drug reps in the U.S. are hired for their looks and their personality.  As a result, many are somewhat ignorant in regards to anything that is clinically relevant to a medical practice, so doctors seem to know this and have responded in such ways.  Most drug reps have college degrees that do not correlate with their profession as a drug rep, which is to say that the clinical training of drug reps is limited.  In fact, many consider this of such a serious nature that an Act is presently being considered called the SafeRx Act that would certify pharmaceutical reps, and this would be mandatory.  One main reason would be to ensure personal accountability for their tactics and statements, I believe,  which may improve the quality and safety of their function in the medical community.
3.	Many drug reps, it is believed, are void of any ethical considerations due to ignorance of what they are coerced to do or say to prescribers by their employer, and this allows them to embellish the benefits of their promoted products at times in addition to offering inducements to doctors.  This is usually due to the rep being unaware of the consequences of their actions at times, yet at other times what reps say is with premeditated intent for potential financial gain for such a drug rep.  Worse yet, due to pressure to keep their high-paying jobs, they always are anxious to please their superiors, who require them to offer various types of inducements to physicians that are designated targets of a particular drug company.  Such tactics are especially true with the larger drug companies.  These reps are in fact coerced to spend these individual promotional budgets assigned to them by their employer.  While legally risky, the drug companies continue to dispense to their reps these large budgets reps have been forced to be responsible for dispensing, and are required to spend these budgets.  In fact, so much emphasis is placed on this promotional spending, there seems to be an association between the money a rep spends and the progression that occurs with their career working for their pharmaceutical employer.  Disclosure laws are being considered presently to mandate the release of all funds dispensed from pharmaceutical companies, which is to say to allow others to see where their money goes and who it goes to, as it is presently very secretive, overall.  It is not unusual for a big drug rep to spend 50 thousand dollars a year for clinic lunches alone.  In addition, drug reps hire doctors as speakers for certain disease states, and they find many other ways to spend this money they are required to spend.
4.	Another issue is what is referred to as data mining.  The American Medical Association sells this prescribing data on individual doctors to pharmaceutical companies, which allows them to track the scripts a doctor writes, and the data is free of the patient names.  Yet the names the products prescribed are well illustrated and available to the drug reps.  This allows reps to tailor their tactical approach with any given doctor, if they see the doctor at all during an office visit.  Worse yet, doctors who greatly support the promoted products determined by this data allow reps to reward those doctors who favor the rep’s products that they promote, and this could be considered a form of quid pro quo.  Laws are being considered presently to prevent this practice of allowing reps to have this data.  Doctors are opposed to the data the reps have as well about them for privacy and deceptive reasons, so they say.
5.	Overall, reps can be best described as far as their function goes with their profession is to, whenever possible, manipulate doctors with remuneration or other forms of inducements, as they also continue to sample such doctors along with others their promoted meds.  Also, frequent lunches are in fact bought often for doctors’ offices and their staff as a method of access, primarily, as stated earlier with the money reps spend earlier for this type of function.   Essentially, because of the income and benefits the drug reps receive that they would likely not be able to obtain with any other job, they are compelled to do such unethical if not illegal tactics mentioned earlier that they perhaps normally would not do in another setting.  Usually these drug reps rarely refuse to implement such tactics encouraged to them by their employers.  
6.	Samples keep the prescriber from selecting what may be their preferred choice of med due to cost savings from samples left with a medical office by a drug rep.  In addition, doctors are now being paid by prescription providers, which are called pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) that are typically owned by a managed care company to have a doctor switch their patients to generic substitutes, if they exist, and this is often not disclosed to such patients.  Apparently, these PBM companies are doing this in response to the activities of the branded drug companies, as they continue pay doctors often for various reasons, which are questionable in themselves.
It is likely that most drug reps are good and intelligent people who unfortunately are coerced to do things that may be considered corruptive to others in order to maintain their employment, ultimately.  It seems that external regulation is necessary to prevent the drug companies from allowing the autonomy of drug reps that exists, with their encouragement, which forces the reps to do the wrong thing for the medical community, possibly.  Clearly, greed has replaced ethics with this element of the health care system, which is the pharmaceutical industry, as illustrated with what occurs within these companies.  However, reversing this misguided focus of drug companies is not impossible if the right action is taken for the benefit of public health.  Likely, if there are no drug reps, there is no one to employ such tactics mentioned earlier.  Because authentically educating doctors does not appear to be the reason for their vocation.  This is far from being the responsibility of a pharmaceutical sales representative.

“What you don’t do can be a destructive force.” --- Eleanor Roosevelt

Dan Abshear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Have Now Been Sampled (Drug Reps, Part 2)</p>
<p>While the pharmaceutical industry’s image and reputation has suffered, and has been complicated with their declining profits due to a few reasons, these companies still apparently insist on keeping most of their gift- givers on board.  Known presently as simply drug reps today, this job has become a vocation void of a sense of accomplishment, which will be described below.<br />
So they may be named at times in different ways, these promoters will be referred to as drug reps, which number close to 100,000 in the U.S. presently, it is believed.  The cost to the pharmaceutical industry of these employees is around 5 billion dollars a year.  Income for each rep grosses close to or above 100,000 grand a year on average, along with great benefits and a company car, as well as stock options as they gladly work from their homes.<br />
The main function these days of drug reps, I believe, is primarily to offer doctors various types of inducements of a certain value.   The drug sampling of doctors may be considered an inducement, and a rather valuable one for the drug rep, as many believe that these samples are what ultimately influence the doctor’s prescribing habits over anything else, including statements from drug reps.  This may be why the drug industry spends around 20 billion every year on samples.<br />
 While historically drug reps have used their persuasive abilities to influence the prescribing habits of doctors in an honest and ethical manner.  However presently, most health care providers now simply refuse to speak with them, or have banned all drug reps permanently from their practices for a number of reasons, including the recommendations from their colleagues.  It is possible that this may be due to the following reasons:<br />
1.	 The doctors lose money.  Doctors are normally busy, so their time is valuable.  As a drug rep, you are a waste of their time.  Yet they will accept your samples still.  The credibility you possibly have as a rep is not considered anymore to be present in your vocation due to various controversies associated with the pharmaceutical industry, it is speculated.<br />
2.	Most drug reps in the U.S. are hired for their looks and their personality.  As a result, many are somewhat ignorant in regards to anything that is clinically relevant to a medical practice, so doctors seem to know this and have responded in such ways.  Most drug reps have college degrees that do not correlate with their profession as a drug rep, which is to say that the clinical training of drug reps is limited.  In fact, many consider this of such a serious nature that an Act is presently being considered called the SafeRx Act that would certify pharmaceutical reps, and this would be mandatory.  One main reason would be to ensure personal accountability for their tactics and statements, I believe,  which may improve the quality and safety of their function in the medical community.<br />
3.	Many drug reps, it is believed, are void of any ethical considerations due to ignorance of what they are coerced to do or say to prescribers by their employer, and this allows them to embellish the benefits of their promoted products at times in addition to offering inducements to doctors.  This is usually due to the rep being unaware of the consequences of their actions at times, yet at other times what reps say is with premeditated intent for potential financial gain for such a drug rep.  Worse yet, due to pressure to keep their high-paying jobs, they always are anxious to please their superiors, who require them to offer various types of inducements to physicians that are designated targets of a particular drug company.  Such tactics are especially true with the larger drug companies.  These reps are in fact coerced to spend these individual promotional budgets assigned to them by their employer.  While legally risky, the drug companies continue to dispense to their reps these large budgets reps have been forced to be responsible for dispensing, and are required to spend these budgets.  In fact, so much emphasis is placed on this promotional spending, there seems to be an association between the money a rep spends and the progression that occurs with their career working for their pharmaceutical employer.  Disclosure laws are being considered presently to mandate the release of all funds dispensed from pharmaceutical companies, which is to say to allow others to see where their money goes and who it goes to, as it is presently very secretive, overall.  It is not unusual for a big drug rep to spend 50 thousand dollars a year for clinic lunches alone.  In addition, drug reps hire doctors as speakers for certain disease states, and they find many other ways to spend this money they are required to spend.<br />
4.	Another issue is what is referred to as data mining.  The American Medical Association sells this prescribing data on individual doctors to pharmaceutical companies, which allows them to track the scripts a doctor writes, and the data is free of the patient names.  Yet the names the products prescribed are well illustrated and available to the drug reps.  This allows reps to tailor their tactical approach with any given doctor, if they see the doctor at all during an office visit.  Worse yet, doctors who greatly support the promoted products determined by this data allow reps to reward those doctors who favor the rep’s products that they promote, and this could be considered a form of quid pro quo.  Laws are being considered presently to prevent this practice of allowing reps to have this data.  Doctors are opposed to the data the reps have as well about them for privacy and deceptive reasons, so they say.<br />
5.	Overall, reps can be best described as far as their function goes with their profession is to, whenever possible, manipulate doctors with remuneration or other forms of inducements, as they also continue to sample such doctors along with others their promoted meds.  Also, frequent lunches are in fact bought often for doctors’ offices and their staff as a method of access, primarily, as stated earlier with the money reps spend earlier for this type of function.   Essentially, because of the income and benefits the drug reps receive that they would likely not be able to obtain with any other job, they are compelled to do such unethical if not illegal tactics mentioned earlier that they perhaps normally would not do in another setting.  Usually these drug reps rarely refuse to implement such tactics encouraged to them by their employers.<br />
6.	Samples keep the prescriber from selecting what may be their preferred choice of med due to cost savings from samples left with a medical office by a drug rep.  In addition, doctors are now being paid by prescription providers, which are called pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) that are typically owned by a managed care company to have a doctor switch their patients to generic substitutes, if they exist, and this is often not disclosed to such patients.  Apparently, these PBM companies are doing this in response to the activities of the branded drug companies, as they continue pay doctors often for various reasons, which are questionable in themselves.<br />
It is likely that most drug reps are good and intelligent people who unfortunately are coerced to do things that may be considered corruptive to others in order to maintain their employment, ultimately.  It seems that external regulation is necessary to prevent the drug companies from allowing the autonomy of drug reps that exists, with their encouragement, which forces the reps to do the wrong thing for the medical community, possibly.  Clearly, greed has replaced ethics with this element of the health care system, which is the pharmaceutical industry, as illustrated with what occurs within these companies.  However, reversing this misguided focus of drug companies is not impossible if the right action is taken for the benefit of public health.  Likely, if there are no drug reps, there is no one to employ such tactics mentioned earlier.  Because authentically educating doctors does not appear to be the reason for their vocation.  This is far from being the responsibility of a pharmaceutical sales representative.</p>
<p>“What you don’t do can be a destructive force.” &#8212; Eleanor Roosevelt</p>
<p>Dan Abshear</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice what other major industries are absent: airlines, energy companies, &#38; automakers.  Lump in drug companies, and you have 4 industries that are facing enormous external pressures at the moment.  When companies are facing such external pressure, they are likely to not worry too much about employee satisfaction.  They are more worried about their continued existence.

BTW, Alcon also made the list.  Besides Astra, that is the only pharma-type company that I could find on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice what other major industries are absent: airlines, energy companies, &amp; automakers.  Lump in drug companies, and you have 4 industries that are facing enormous external pressures at the moment.  When companies are facing such external pressure, they are likely to not worry too much about employee satisfaction.  They are more worried about their continued existence.</p>
<p>BTW, Alcon also made the list.  Besides Astra, that is the only pharma-type company that I could find on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed says: "But the consistently invisible showing should give pharma pause."

It should also give the public, the FDA, and politicians pause too.  It is becoming undeniable that the political and legal environment of recent years are stifling pharmaceutical &#38; medical research.  If not from pharma, where will our next generation of pharmaceuticals come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed says: &#8220;But the consistently invisible showing should give pharma pause.&#8221;</p>
<p>It should also give the public, the FDA, and politicians pause too.  It is becoming undeniable that the political and legal environment of recent years are stifling pharmaceutical &amp; medical research.  If not from pharma, where will our next generation of pharmaceuticals come from?</p>
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