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	<title>Comments on: US Investigation Into Glaxo And Paxil Widens</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Woska</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-367115</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Woska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As big business sits back and enjoys the lack of accountability for all businesses in this GW Bush Era, we are seeing repeated instances in which Glaxo and other large Pharmaceutical Companies are: 1. Failing to disclose test results which are negative; 2. Engage in  playing with the meanings of words to hide the truth of negative aspects of their drugs; 3. Use force and coercion to threaten those in the medical community who try and hold them accountable publicly.  The sale of drugs is not Big Business it is OFF THE CHARTS PROFITABLE BUSINESS.  

As long as the users of dangerous drugs are never warned of the dnagers and as long as misinformation by the Drug Companies can be used in place of truth, more and more people will die from these drugs and fewer and fewer courts of law will find the Big Parma liable.
The individual rights which were the backbone of this country have been usurped by the interests of businesses and their profits. The problem will likely get worse until we have non-Republican Bush appointees deciding issues between businesses and individuals because these days an individuals life and health appear to be secondary to the profits, obscene profits of big business.  Wake up America, you are voting for rich people and rich ideas which do not help or apply to you.

Karen Menzies is a hard working patriot who is seeking to right the wrongs in this era of non-accountability of businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As big business sits back and enjoys the lack of accountability for all businesses in this GW Bush Era, we are seeing repeated instances in which Glaxo and other large Pharmaceutical Companies are: 1. Failing to disclose test results which are negative; 2. Engage in  playing with the meanings of words to hide the truth of negative aspects of their drugs; 3. Use force and coercion to threaten those in the medical community who try and hold them accountable publicly.  The sale of drugs is not Big Business it is OFF THE CHARTS PROFITABLE BUSINESS.  </p>
<p>As long as the users of dangerous drugs are never warned of the dnagers and as long as misinformation by the Drug Companies can be used in place of truth, more and more people will die from these drugs and fewer and fewer courts of law will find the Big Parma liable.<br />
The individual rights which were the backbone of this country have been usurped by the interests of businesses and their profits. The problem will likely get worse until we have non-Republican Bush appointees deciding issues between businesses and individuals because these days an individuals life and health appear to be secondary to the profits, obscene profits of big business.  Wake up America, you are voting for rich people and rich ideas which do not help or apply to you.</p>
<p>Karen Menzies is a hard working patriot who is seeking to right the wrongs in this era of non-accountability of businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-363297</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthman, the core reasons are that the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigation is understaffed and underfunded.  They focus on issues like tainted drugs (true fakes), security threats, outright scams (magic cures), etc.

On one level, the issue with big pharma reflects the general lack of prosecution in the area of white collar crime.  But, more specifically, FDA's concern is that a drug is properly labelled or withdrawn if  that is called for.  

Once that happens (as is now has re: Paxil's label), they are almost never interested in going back and digging up why things didn't change earlier.  It takes resources they don't have and, from a public health perspective, the problem is now "solved" as they view it.
Particularly re: proving intentional (felony) fraud, it ain't easy - as the 4-year UK investigation suggests.

There is also the argument (that some have advanced here) that a stiff criminal or civil penalty will negatively impact the good things the relevant company is doing and thus, by utilitarian calculus, it is considered the greater good to allow a certain amount of malfeasance to protect the "big picture."

One could easily argue with this view - the power of sending a message.  But that's not the argument that usually wins.

Keep this in mind when you hear preemptors talk about the criminal liability they face even without lawsuits.  It sounds good rhetorically.  But, as above, that criminal liability mostly doesn't exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthman, the core reasons are that the FDA&#8217;s Office of Criminal Investigation is understaffed and underfunded.  They focus on issues like tainted drugs (true fakes), security threats, outright scams (magic cures), etc.</p>
<p>On one level, the issue with big pharma reflects the general lack of prosecution in the area of white collar crime.  But, more specifically, FDA&#8217;s concern is that a drug is properly labelled or withdrawn if  that is called for.  </p>
<p>Once that happens (as is now has re: Paxil&#8217;s label), they are almost never interested in going back and digging up why things didn&#8217;t change earlier.  It takes resources they don&#8217;t have and, from a public health perspective, the problem is now &#8220;solved&#8221; as they view it.<br />
Particularly re: proving intentional (felony) fraud, it ain&#8217;t easy - as the 4-year UK investigation suggests.</p>
<p>There is also the argument (that some have advanced here) that a stiff criminal or civil penalty will negatively impact the good things the relevant company is doing and thus, by utilitarian calculus, it is considered the greater good to allow a certain amount of malfeasance to protect the &#8220;big picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>One could easily argue with this view - the power of sending a message.  But that&#8217;s not the argument that usually wins.</p>
<p>Keep this in mind when you hear preemptors talk about the criminal liability they face even without lawsuits.  It sounds good rhetorically.  But, as above, that criminal liability mostly doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-363280</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal prosecution just doesn’t happen in this arena.


Why?..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal prosecution just doesn’t happen in this arena.</p>
<p>Why?..</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362557</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As above, I believe the likelihood of an actual criminal prosecution is infinitesimal.  Note that this did _not_ happen in the UK.  As stated in Ed's post:

"But the government didn’t pursue a criminal prosecution of Glaxo because UK laws were unclear on whether companies were obligated to report certain drug data.

This is pretty much an old story has has repeated itself innumerable times.  I would be amazed (but am open to amazement) if there was ever a criminal prosecution of GSK re: Paxil, and I am making no judgment about what ought to happen.

As some may know, there was never any criminal prosecution related to thalidomide, despite outright and definitive evidence of deliberate cover-up and falsification of data with devastating consequences for pts (mainly infants) and their survivors. 

There were civil settlements and slaps on the wrist.  I.e., the usual.

Criminal prosecution just doesn't happen in this arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As above, I believe the likelihood of an actual criminal prosecution is infinitesimal.  Note that this did _not_ happen in the UK.  As stated in Ed&#8217;s post:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the government didn’t pursue a criminal prosecution of Glaxo because UK laws were unclear on whether companies were obligated to report certain drug data.</p>
<p>This is pretty much an old story has has repeated itself innumerable times.  I would be amazed (but am open to amazement) if there was ever a criminal prosecution of GSK re: Paxil, and I am making no judgment about what ought to happen.</p>
<p>As some may know, there was never any criminal prosecution related to thalidomide, despite outright and definitive evidence of deliberate cover-up and falsification of data with devastating consequences for pts (mainly infants) and their survivors. </p>
<p>There were civil settlements and slaps on the wrist.  I.e., the usual.</p>
<p>Criminal prosecution just doesn&#8217;t happen in this arena.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362454</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the hope for the same criminal prosecution for Zyprexa? Getting a large financial settlement back from Lilly to the DOJ is not the same as criminal prosecution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the hope for the same criminal prosecution for Zyprexa? Getting a large financial settlement back from Lilly to the DOJ is not the same as criminal prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362264</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you imagine the ribbing he got in school! Cool name though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the ribbing he got in school! Cool name though!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362142</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ava,

Yes, a great name, indeed. Right up there with Snagglepuss.

Cheers

ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ava,</p>
<p>Yes, a great name, indeed. Right up there with Snagglepuss.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>ed</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362140</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Laurie , better late than never, and I sincerely hope that the FBI/FDA have bigger balls than the UK regulators when it comes to justice here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Laurie , better late than never, and I sincerely hope that the FBI/FDA have bigger balls than the UK regulators when it comes to justice here..</p>
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		<title>By: Ava</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362134</link>
		<dc:creator>Ava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can I just point out (a bit off topic) that the lawyer interviewed for the article has the best name EVER?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can I just point out (a bit off topic) that the lawyer interviewed for the article has the best name EVER?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/us-investigation-into-glaxo-and-paxil-widens/#comment-362131</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's nice to see someone addressing a situation that has been out there for years. Better late than never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see someone addressing a situation that has been out there for years. Better late than never.</p>
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