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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368225</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My impression is that senior management there were not hard to "enlist."

As in other contexts, FDA's salvation will also depend on people there with more guts than average to speak out about how things actually "go down."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression is that senior management there were not hard to &#8220;enlist.&#8221;</p>
<p>As in other contexts, FDA&#8217;s salvation will also depend on people there with more guts than average to speak out about how things actually &#8220;go down.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368220</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice,

Dan Troy has trained FDA well,..Pretty spooky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice,</p>
<p>Dan Troy has trained FDA well,..Pretty spooky.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368195</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the petition not being taken seriously, it seems so much in tune with the current FDA's agenda that I wonder if we shouldn't take it seriously in that sense.

It is almost like the current FDA regime is petitioning itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the petition not being taken seriously, it seems so much in tune with the current FDA&#8217;s agenda that I wonder if we shouldn&#8217;t take it seriously in that sense.</p>
<p>It is almost like the current FDA regime is petitioning itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368194</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lisa.  I am up to my neck in preemption to get too far into the Med Guide issues (although related), but it is all interesting.

What puzzles me a bit is the role of the NCL, not that I know anything about them.  Certainly, if one _were_ (note hypothetical) trying to advance a position that was not solely about consumers, they would be a good wooden horse to hide inside.  (To use a Troy metaphor.)

Re: Quibbler's quibble, it raises the question for me of whether OTC inserts are governed by different labeling requirements.  Does anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lisa.  I am up to my neck in preemption to get too far into the Med Guide issues (although related), but it is all interesting.</p>
<p>What puzzles me a bit is the role of the NCL, not that I know anything about them.  Certainly, if one _were_ (note hypothetical) trying to advance a position that was not solely about consumers, they would be a good wooden horse to hide inside.  (To use a Troy metaphor.)</p>
<p>Re: Quibbler&#8217;s quibble, it raises the question for me of whether OTC inserts are governed by different labeling requirements.  Does anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368192</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice,

http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/10/fda-diluted-antidepressant-med-guide-us-rep/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/10/fda-diluted-antidepressant-med-guide-us-rep/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/10/fda-diluted-antidepressant-med-guide-us-rep/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice,

Pharmalot has covered the Med Guide issue
http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/congressman-wants-probe-into-med-guides/
This issue was a hot item during the PDUFA Hearings. I would be more than happy to provide you with Pharma, Congressional,. FDA Chain Drug Stores, documents that are a part of a Congressional Investigation.

This Petition is a joke, and should not be taken seriously!!!

Check this out
http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/in-nj-a-fight-over-black-box-warnings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice,</p>
<p>Pharmalot has covered the Med Guide issue<br />
<a href="http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/congressman-wants-probe-into-med-guides/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/congressman-wants-probe-into-med-guides/</a><br />
This issue was a hot item during the PDUFA Hearings. I would be more than happy to provide you with Pharma, Congressional,. FDA Chain Drug Stores, documents that are a part of a Congressional Investigation.</p>
<p>This Petition is a joke, and should not be taken seriously!!!</p>
<p>Check this out<br />
<a href="http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/in-nj-a-fight-over-black-box-warnings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pharmalot.com/2007/06/in-nj-a-fight-over-black-box-warnings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quibbler</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368189</link>
		<dc:creator>Quibbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

Perhaps it's a quibble, but the insert you link to is for prescription strength naproxen, not Aleve.

In my brief search I didn't find a full package insert for Aleve, but the warning info on the Aleve website is much less extensive than on the Rx insert you link to.

http://www.aleve.com/tablets.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s a quibble, but the insert you link to is for prescription strength naproxen, not Aleve.</p>
<p>In my brief search I didn&#8217;t find a full package insert for Aleve, but the warning info on the Aleve website is much less extensive than on the Rx insert you link to.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aleve.com/tablets.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aleve.com/tablets.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/consumer-group-wants-simpler-patient-guides/#comment-368185</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the point, Nathan.  Yet I must say that I myself would still prefer a more complete list to a less complete one, particularly if there is some indication of likelihood (percentages, etc.) as many labels have.  That is pretty much what the new "highlights" section of the PI does.

I have related that I personally had an AE with a med that wasn't listed anywhere on its label (and still isn't).  But it has been the subject of a case report article (not just my own case) in the Archives of Opthamology, with comment that there is a high likelihood that it was, indeed, caused by the med.  (Occurred and disappeared through three retrials.)

Had that information been on the PI - for both myself and my doc - I would have both felt less "crazy" and unnecessary additional testing and consults would probably have been avoided.  

So I guess I can't agree with the idea of "too much" information if at least physicians know how to use it.  OTC becomes the responsibility of the rest of us, but I'm still unclear that having less is more useful and more is not.  The throw-away that "this is just to shield lawyers", or some other CYA purpose, does a disservice to pts who might actually find their own experience listed, and, in consultation with their docs, make more informed choices about what the next best steps may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the point, Nathan.  Yet I must say that I myself would still prefer a more complete list to a less complete one, particularly if there is some indication of likelihood (percentages, etc.) as many labels have.  That is pretty much what the new &#8220;highlights&#8221; section of the PI does.</p>
<p>I have related that I personally had an AE with a med that wasn&#8217;t listed anywhere on its label (and still isn&#8217;t).  But it has been the subject of a case report article (not just my own case) in the Archives of Opthamology, with comment that there is a high likelihood that it was, indeed, caused by the med.  (Occurred and disappeared through three retrials.)</p>
<p>Had that information been on the PI - for both myself and my doc - I would have both felt less &#8220;crazy&#8221; and unnecessary additional testing and consults would probably have been avoided.  </p>
<p>So I guess I can&#8217;t agree with the idea of &#8220;too much&#8221; information if at least physicians know how to use it.  OTC becomes the responsibility of the rest of us, but I&#8217;m still unclear that having less is more useful and more is not.  The throw-away that &#8220;this is just to shield lawyers&#8221;, or some other CYA purpose, does a disservice to pts who might actually find their own experience listed, and, in consultation with their docs, make more informed choices about what the next best steps may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, in case you don't want to scroll through the above link -- pages 9-17 list the side effects.  Almost a continuous 8 page listing off every ailment common to man.  This is a laundry list!!  Why would the FDA even allow this kind of list?  Either the list should be much, much shorter, or this shouldn't be a marketed medication.  Certainly not an OTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, in case you don&#8217;t want to scroll through the above link &#8212; pages 9-17 list the side effects.  Almost a continuous 8 page listing off every ailment common to man.  This is a laundry list!!  Why would the FDA even allow this kind of list?  Either the list should be much, much shorter, or this shouldn&#8217;t be a marketed medication.  Certainly not an OTC.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIM - I guess I misspoke.  I'm not aware of cases where pharma intentionally lists side effects in order to avoid lawsuits.  However, it appears that the FDA and consumer groups are unintentionally pushing us in this direction when they insist on listing every adverse event that may or may not be related to the drug.  Pharma gladly complies because they don’t want to be sued.  I've mentioned this in previous posts, but if you haven't looked at it before, please glance at this web site of prescriber information for Aleve:

http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2004/17581s99,100,18164s50,51,18965s9,10,20067s4,6lbl.pdf

Look at the list of side effects.  Dozens and dozens and dozens.  I would estimate well over 150 side effects lists – many very very serious.  **This is a laundry list.**  Why is it this way?  This is an OTC pain medication commonly believed to be much safer than Vioxx.  Based on reading this information would you really believe that this is safer than Vioxx?  How is a consumer (or doctor) supposed to learn anything from this information?  This is just a information overload and an example of the system gone amuck.  Do you disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIM - I guess I misspoke.  I&#8217;m not aware of cases where pharma intentionally lists side effects in order to avoid lawsuits.  However, it appears that the FDA and consumer groups are unintentionally pushing us in this direction when they insist on listing every adverse event that may or may not be related to the drug.  Pharma gladly complies because they don’t want to be sued.  I&#8217;ve mentioned this in previous posts, but if you haven&#8217;t looked at it before, please glance at this web site of prescriber information for Aleve:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2004/17581s99,100,18164s50,51,18965s9,10,20067s4,6lbl.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2004/17581s99,100,18164s50,51,18965s9,10,20067s4,6lbl.pdf</a></p>
<p>Look at the list of side effects.  Dozens and dozens and dozens.  I would estimate well over 150 side effects lists – many very very serious.  **This is a laundry list.**  Why is it this way?  This is an OTC pain medication commonly believed to be much safer than Vioxx.  Based on reading this information would you really believe that this is safer than Vioxx?  How is a consumer (or doctor) supposed to learn anything from this information?  This is just a information overload and an example of the system gone amuck.  Do you disagree?</p>
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