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		<title>By: Sick &#38; Tired</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick &#38; Tired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say, "String them up!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say, &#8220;String them up!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CV MD</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368655</link>
		<dc:creator>CV MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it's simply too bad that pharma firms can't seem to stick to the label.  Money drives them crazy and appears to make them do crazy things!

Face it, nobody knows if ezetimibe does anything other than lowering LDL.  And nobody knows if it works with or against the beneficial event effects of a statin.  And we won't know for at least 4-5 years.  Close just doesn't count in evidenced-based medicine and extrapolation is for fools!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s simply too bad that pharma firms can&#8217;t seem to stick to the label.  Money drives them crazy and appears to make them do crazy things!</p>
<p>Face it, nobody knows if ezetimibe does anything other than lowering LDL.  And nobody knows if it works with or against the beneficial event effects of a statin.  And we won&#8217;t know for at least 4-5 years.  Close just doesn&#8217;t count in evidenced-based medicine and extrapolation is for fools!</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368638</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condor, the only thing you proved with your ridiculous diatribe was that YOU are the target audience of the revised label for Vytorin. Apparently, YOU are the average person that can't figure out a drug label. I guess that's why we now get multi-paged, tiny print booklets with our prescriptions - so people like you can understand which drugs will NOT cure cancer, make you smarter, or grow hair. 
You are wrong Condor. And you know why? Because the FDA approved Vytorin's label. For 4 years, Vytorin's label did not have to state it's UNKNOWN (still unproven) lack of efficacy beyond that of Zocor in preventing heart attacks. I guess they assumed you were smart enough to figure out the facts. Oh, but that's right.....you were probably taking all the pills you could get your hands on, since none of the labels say: "will NOT make you smarter", which to you must mean: "WILL make you smarter", b/c surely they would have to put it on the label if it didn't....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condor, the only thing you proved with your ridiculous diatribe was that YOU are the target audience of the revised label for Vytorin. Apparently, YOU are the average person that can&#8217;t figure out a drug label. I guess that&#8217;s why we now get multi-paged, tiny print booklets with our prescriptions - so people like you can understand which drugs will NOT cure cancer, make you smarter, or grow hair.<br />
You are wrong Condor. And you know why? Because the FDA approved Vytorin&#8217;s label. For 4 years, Vytorin&#8217;s label did not have to state it&#8217;s UNKNOWN (still unproven) lack of efficacy beyond that of Zocor in preventing heart attacks. I guess they assumed you were smart enough to figure out the facts. Oh, but that&#8217;s right&#8230;..you were probably taking all the pills you could get your hands on, since none of the labels say: &#8220;will NOT make you smarter&#8221;, which to you must mean: &#8220;WILL make you smarter&#8221;, b/c surely they would have to put it on the label if it didn&#8217;t&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SP Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368610</link>
		<dc:creator>SP Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do us a favor and nail them to the wall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do us a favor and nail them to the wall!</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368324</link>
		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Piper -- I'll need to slow this down for you -- You are wrong on the law. It is that simple. Let's read from 21 USC § 352, et seq. EMPHASIS supplied for CLARITY:

". . .Food, Drug &#38; Cosmetics Act § 201:

. . . .(m) The term "labeling" means all labels and other written, printed, or GRAPHIC matters (1) upon any article or any of its containers or wrappers, or (2) ACCOMPANYING such article. 

(n) If an article is alleged to be misbranded because the labeling or advertising is misleading, then in determining whether the labeling or advertising is misleading there shall be taken into account (among other things) not only representations MADE or SUGGESTED by statement, word, design, device, or any combination thereof, but also the extent to which the labeling or advertising FAILS to REVEAL FACTS material in the light of such representations or MATERIAL with respect to CONSEQUENCES which may result from the use of the article to which the labeling or advertising relates. . . ." 

Okay -- didja' catch that? Does Vytorin reduce heart attacks? Or doesn't it? Is heart attack risk "material" -- if one is taking a drug to lower cholesterol? That is the issue, for me.

Now, look closely at this one and a half minute video I made:

http://blip.tv/play/AbjLe4eodQ

Now, the object lesson, here: "omissions" can be the basis for civil and criminal liability. In fact, the Chairmen of two Congressional Committees believe the ommissions in Vytorin's ads. . . . were "material". Each has said, and written, as much. In any event. . . .

Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Piper &#8212; I&#8217;ll need to slow this down for you &#8212; You are wrong on the law. It is that simple. Let&#8217;s read from 21 USC § 352, et seq. EMPHASIS supplied for CLARITY:</p>
<p>&#8220;. . .Food, Drug &amp; Cosmetics Act § 201:</p>
<p>. . . .(m) The term &#8220;labeling&#8221; means all labels and other written, printed, or GRAPHIC matters (1) upon any article or any of its containers or wrappers, or (2) ACCOMPANYING such article. </p>
<p>(n) If an article is alleged to be misbranded because the labeling or advertising is misleading, then in determining whether the labeling or advertising is misleading there shall be taken into account (among other things) not only representations MADE or SUGGESTED by statement, word, design, device, or any combination thereof, but also the extent to which the labeling or advertising FAILS to REVEAL FACTS material in the light of such representations or MATERIAL with respect to CONSEQUENCES which may result from the use of the article to which the labeling or advertising relates. . . .&#8221; </p>
<p>Okay &#8212; didja&#8217; catch that? Does Vytorin reduce heart attacks? Or doesn&#8217;t it? Is heart attack risk &#8220;material&#8221; &#8212; if one is taking a drug to lower cholesterol? That is the issue, for me.</p>
<p>Now, look closely at this one and a half minute video I made:</p>
<p><a href="http://blip.tv/play/AbjLe4eodQ" rel="nofollow">http://blip.tv/play/AbjLe4eodQ</a></p>
<p>Now, the object lesson, here: &#8220;omissions&#8221; can be the basis for civil and criminal liability. In fact, the Chairmen of two Congressional Committees believe the ommissions in Vytorin&#8217;s ads. . . . were &#8220;material&#8221;. Each has said, and written, as much. In any event. . . .</p>
<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: Big Pharma Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Pharma Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely!!!!!  I also hope that they take the execs to court and throw them in the slammer!</description>
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		<title>By: Ethicist</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is the appearance of MSP misleading the public for at least 9 months while they continued to profit from the sales of Zetia and Vytorin.  The FDA guide for study results is within a year of study completion, which would have been in early 2007.  If cardiologists had not made such an issue of not seeing the data in the Fall of 2007, who knows how long we would have waited.  The study was high-profile because MSP had made it that way.  Physicians had heard that the study would be presented at AHA 2006, ACC 2007 and AHA 2007, but hadn't heard a thing.  When the study came out negative, MSP had a huge problem.  It seems as though they didn't handle that very well, particularly with the public knowledge that SP key execs sold huge blocks of stock in the Spring of 2007 when the stock was riding a high from its' expanding cholesterol-fighting market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is the appearance of MSP misleading the public for at least 9 months while they continued to profit from the sales of Zetia and Vytorin.  The FDA guide for study results is within a year of study completion, which would have been in early 2007.  If cardiologists had not made such an issue of not seeing the data in the Fall of 2007, who knows how long we would have waited.  The study was high-profile because MSP had made it that way.  Physicians had heard that the study would be presented at AHA 2006, ACC 2007 and AHA 2007, but hadn&#8217;t heard a thing.  When the study came out negative, MSP had a huge problem.  It seems as though they didn&#8217;t handle that very well, particularly with the public knowledge that SP key execs sold huge blocks of stock in the Spring of 2007 when the stock was riding a high from its&#8217; expanding cholesterol-fighting market!</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368293</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condor - the FDA requested the change afterwards, because it was only then that they realized how stupid the average person really is. 

Said another way - Schering didn't have to TELL US that "Vytorin had not been shown to reduce heart attacks or strokes more than Zocor alone", for the same reason that Crestor has never had to tell us that (even though it would apply)- because it is completely irrelevant to the approval and assumed use of the drug. 

I bet you still don't get it Condor, so how's this sound: Lipitor was approved based on its ability to lower LDL. Later, Zetia was approved based on its ability to lower LDL. Then, Lipitor was shown to reduce the odds of a heart attack for every 1 out of 30 over a five year period. That was added to Lipitor label. The 4S trial had already shown a CV risk reduction for Zocor, which had been applied to its label. No such trial has yet to apply to Zetia, or Crestor for that matter (although Crestor has been shown to regress plaque). Thus, Zetia's label has not been UPDATED to show CV risk reduction and Vytorin's label had not been UPDATED to show CV risk reduction beyond that of Zocor. That's how drug labels work. They include what has been proven. 

So let's try this again Condor. What's on a drug label? A drug's proven benefits. What's not on a drug label? A long list of benefits the drug does not provide (example: prozac has not been proven to clear skin, increase intelligence, or augment muscle tone). Most drugs haven't been proven to do a lot of things, that's why their labels only include what they HAVE been proven to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condor - the FDA requested the change afterwards, because it was only then that they realized how stupid the average person really is. </p>
<p>Said another way - Schering didn&#8217;t have to TELL US that &#8220;Vytorin had not been shown to reduce heart attacks or strokes more than Zocor alone&#8221;, for the same reason that Crestor has never had to tell us that (even though it would apply)- because it is completely irrelevant to the approval and assumed use of the drug. </p>
<p>I bet you still don&#8217;t get it Condor, so how&#8217;s this sound: Lipitor was approved based on its ability to lower LDL. Later, Zetia was approved based on its ability to lower LDL. Then, Lipitor was shown to reduce the odds of a heart attack for every 1 out of 30 over a five year period. That was added to Lipitor label. The 4S trial had already shown a CV risk reduction for Zocor, which had been applied to its label. No such trial has yet to apply to Zetia, or Crestor for that matter (although Crestor has been shown to regress plaque). Thus, Zetia&#8217;s label has not been UPDATED to show CV risk reduction and Vytorin&#8217;s label had not been UPDATED to show CV risk reduction beyond that of Zocor. That&#8217;s how drug labels work. They include what has been proven. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s try this again Condor. What&#8217;s on a drug label? A drug&#8217;s proven benefits. What&#8217;s not on a drug label? A long list of benefits the drug does not provide (example: prozac has not been proven to clear skin, increase intelligence, or augment muscle tone). Most drugs haven&#8217;t been proven to do a lot of things, that&#8217;s why their labels only include what they HAVE been proven to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethicist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Suffock County, new York, for having the guts to take on an extremely important challenge - holding Big Pharma companies responsible and accountable for their actions!  This is all too rare an occurrence and i hope they are successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Suffock County, new York, for having the guts to take on an extremely important challenge - holding Big Pharma companies responsible and accountable for their actions!  This is all too rare an occurrence and i hope they are successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/indict-merck-schering-plough-over-vytorin/#comment-368221</link>
		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, Piper -- that's a lot of talk. And no action.

Please explain for me -- as I apparently lack common sense -- why it would be that the FDA would REQUIRE Schering to put this bold black warning on Vytorin (and a similar one -- for Zetia, too). . . . ONLY AFTER "ENHANCE" was disclosed:

"VYTORIN has not been shown to reduce heart attacks or strokes more than Zocor alone."

That was new, at the demand of the FDA, post-ENHANCE -- LINK:

http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp

So -- if you are right about the above, WHY on EARTH would FDA EVER NEED toorder this change?

Said another way -- why didn't Schering TELL US all this -- right along -- ever since FDA approval in 2002?

Why? -- I'd tell you why, but I don't need to -- Suffolk County, NY governmental officials already have. [Hint: It's the oldest reason in the world.]

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Piper &#8212; that&#8217;s a lot of talk. And no action.</p>
<p>Please explain for me &#8212; as I apparently lack common sense &#8212; why it would be that the FDA would REQUIRE Schering to put this bold black warning on Vytorin (and a similar one &#8212; for Zetia, too). . . . ONLY AFTER &#8220;ENHANCE&#8221; was disclosed:</p>
<p>&#8220;VYTORIN has not been shown to reduce heart attacks or strokes more than Zocor alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was new, at the demand of the FDA, post-ENHANCE &#8212; LINK:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp</a></p>
<p>So &#8212; if you are right about the above, WHY on EARTH would FDA EVER NEED toorder this change?</p>
<p>Said another way &#8212; why didn&#8217;t Schering TELL US all this &#8212; right along &#8212; ever since FDA approval in 2002?</p>
<p>Why? &#8212; I&#8217;d tell you why, but I don&#8217;t need to &#8212; Suffolk County, NY governmental officials already have. [Hint: It's the oldest reason in the world.]</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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