Comments on: Pfizer Chantix Ads In South Korea Are Criticized http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/ News, Comment and Conversation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:32:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Electronic Cigarettes http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-566466 Electronic Cigarettes Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:42:21 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-566466 With the use of recent technology, there is finally an alternative to cigarette smoking that is actually worthwhile. It’s called the electronic cigarette and smokers everywhere are finding that it truly holds its own when compared to tobacco. With the use of recent technology, there is finally an alternative to cigarette smoking that is actually worthwhile. It’s called the electronic cigarette and smokers everywhere are finding that it truly holds its own when compared to tobacco.

]]> By: John Q http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365121 John Q Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:37:51 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365121 vince, I do believe the "Pfizer dollar question" here is... How long will congress go on with this Chantix debacle before someone is actually charged? vince, I do believe the “Pfizer dollar question” here is…

How long will congress go on with this Chantix debacle before someone is actually charged?

]]> By: vince http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365111 vince Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:01:18 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365111 I hope all these Koreans stop smoking. Smoking here remains extremely popular and the ban on smoking indoors is flaunted. Children are routinely exposed to second hand smoke. Cigarette butts appear to be the number one form of trash on the streets and are being washed into storm drains and polluting waterways. You folks may be wasting your time arguing about how people successfully quit smoking because the data you are using is for Westerners. We need data for Asians, specifically, Koreans. Culture likely plays a strong role in the decision to smoke or quit. The public smokers in Korea are men. And they often start in highschool or college. There are lots of women smokers but they rarely, if ever, smoke in public so it's hard to know how popular it is from casual observation. I suspect it is not so popular for women to smoke. Now the million dollar question, "Will Korean men respond to a request to quit from their doctor better than from their family?" I hope all these Koreans stop smoking. Smoking here remains extremely popular and the ban on smoking indoors is flaunted. Children are routinely exposed to second hand smoke. Cigarette butts appear to be the number one form of trash on the streets and are being washed into storm drains and polluting waterways.

You folks may be wasting your time arguing about how people successfully quit smoking because the data you are using is for Westerners. We need data for Asians, specifically, Koreans. Culture likely plays a strong role in the decision to smoke or quit.

The public smokers in Korea are men. And they often start in highschool or college. There are lots of women smokers but they rarely, if ever, smoke in public so it’s hard to know how popular it is from casual observation. I suspect it is not so popular for women to smoke.

Now the million dollar question, “Will Korean men respond to a request to quit from their doctor better than from their family?”

]]> By: ExSmoker http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365077 ExSmoker Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:45:29 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365077 War Horse - Good luck to those trying to quit cold turkey (and I admit that I have tremendous admiration for them). I certainly could not do it and will ever be grateful for the help I received in finally kicking the habit. Things have changed a bit: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2007-releases/press01182007.html War Horse - Good luck to those trying to quit cold turkey (and I admit that I have tremendous admiration for them). I certainly could not do it and will ever be grateful for the help I received in finally kicking the habit. Things have changed a bit: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2007-releases/press01182007.html

]]> By: Atlex http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365028 Atlex Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:52:58 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365028 John Q, Do you read your own references? Not one of them supports the argument you make in your posting. Atlex John Q,

Do you read your own references? Not one of them supports the argument you make in your posting.

Atlex

]]> By: John Q http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365011 John Q Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:01:19 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365011 Nathan, You just don't get it do you, huh? Pfizer is running one hard campaign and still are losing the battle. Yes, if Pfizer sponsors an ad, then yes it should state that fact some where on that ad. Look at some of the "facts" Pfizer's drs for hire have promoted. Dr Foulds promotes smokeless tobacco. http://chfs.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/48FD8C7A-A209-4C21-BE13-7FEE597E217F/0/HarmReduction.pdf http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0955395905000496 Dr Steinburg promotes 1 year use of Chantix http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/tnc/winter081-2.pdf Dr Foulds promotes 1 year use of Chantix http://www.healthline.com/blogs/smoking_cessation/2007/04/chantix-how-does-this-new-quit-smoking.html Now Dr Foulds cries fowl and states he never said to take Chantix for 1 year. http://www.healthline.com/blogs/smoking_cessation/ Funny.... Nathan, You just don’t get it do you, huh? Pfizer is running one hard campaign and still are losing the battle. Yes, if Pfizer sponsors an ad, then yes it should state that fact some where on that ad.

Look at some of the “facts” Pfizer’s drs for hire have promoted.

Dr Foulds promotes smokeless tobacco.
http://chfs.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/48FD8C7A-A209-4C21-BE13-7FEE597E217F/0/HarmReduction.pdf

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0955395905000496

Dr Steinburg promotes 1 year use of Chantix
http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/tnc/winter081-2.pdf

Dr Foulds promotes 1 year use of Chantix
http://www.healthline.com/blogs/smoking_cessation/2007/04/chantix-how-does-this-new-quit-smoking.html

Now Dr Foulds cries fowl and states he never said to take Chantix for 1 year.
http://www.healthline.com/blogs/smoking_cessation/

Funny….

]]> By: pharma PR hack http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365010 pharma PR hack Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:59:30 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365010 I think it is more than they become an institutional KOL; The conflict is by getting them to do what Pharma can't- Pfizer found a way around the ban on television advertising and while it may be a seek treatment ad- if you are the only one who is not OTC then it is essentially an ad just for you! Pharma has been working hard to work around the ban in South Koreal which will is a strong emerging market for them. In the last few years, several "patient associations" have sprung up to spread the word. I think it is more than they become an institutional KOL; The conflict is by getting them to do what Pharma can’t- Pfizer found a way around the ban on television advertising and while it may be a seek treatment ad- if you are the only one who is not OTC then it is essentially an ad just for you!

Pharma has been working hard to work around the ban in South Koreal which will is a strong emerging market for them. In the last few years, several “patient associations” have sprung up to spread the word.

]]> By: Justice in MI http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365008 Justice in MI Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:41:23 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365008 I'm a bit unclear what the issue is. Pfizer runs the "It's-My-Time-to-Quit" promos all the time on U.S. TV. You have to look very hard to notice that these are ads for Chantix/Pfizer. The key difference I see here is that Pfizer got the KMA to "front" for them, related to the fact that DTC is not permitted in S. Korea, as pharma hack notes. So the KMA becomes a kind of institutional KOL. Is that the gist of it? I’m a bit unclear what the issue is. Pfizer runs the “It’s-My-Time-to-Quit” promos all the time on U.S. TV. You have to look very hard to notice that these are ads for Chantix/Pfizer.

The key difference I see here is that Pfizer got the KMA to “front” for them, related to the fact that DTC is not permitted in S. Korea, as pharma hack notes. So the KMA becomes a kind of institutional KOL.

Is that the gist of it?

]]> By: Nathan http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365007 Nathan Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:31:35 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365007 Of course I don't have an issue with sponsorship of health-related ads or even DTC ads. Advertising is a free-speech issue. As long as the claims made are legitimate, non-defamatory, and non-offensive, I have no problem with companies or individuals paying private money to say whatever they want on the air. An analogy to DTC ads is advertising by the Army. The army wants recruits. They pay for ad time to get recruits. Can you sign up for the army and automatically get in? No way! You have to go through a series of tests and qualifications first. Same with prescription drugs. We can't buy prescription drugs ourselves -- we go through a series of tests and qualifications done by a doctor. By the way, when the Army advertises, they are not required to give disclosures of the risk involved! They only discuss the benefits. Why doesn’t anyone complain? Of course I don’t have an issue with sponsorship of health-related ads or even DTC ads. Advertising is a free-speech issue. As long as the claims made are legitimate, non-defamatory, and non-offensive, I have no problem with companies or individuals paying private money to say whatever they want on the air.

An analogy to DTC ads is advertising by the Army. The army wants recruits. They pay for ad time to get recruits. Can you sign up for the army and automatically get in? No way! You have to go through a series of tests and qualifications first. Same with prescription drugs. We can’t buy prescription drugs ourselves — we go through a series of tests and qualifications done by a doctor.

By the way, when the Army advertises, they are not required to give disclosures of the risk involved! They only discuss the benefits. Why doesn’t anyone complain?

]]> By: Ed Silverman http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/pfizer-chantix-ads-in-south-korea-are-criticized/#comment-365005 Ed Silverman Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:51 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14405#comment-365005 Hi Nathan, You raised a good point, but as I already indicated, and discussed with Atlex and you in my previous notes, I unfortunately have nothing more I can add. But again, I posted the item because it raised the issue of sponsorship of such campaigns, however imperfectly. You haven't addressed that point, by the way. Cheers ed Hi Nathan,

You raised a good point, but as I already indicated, and discussed with Atlex and you in my previous notes, I unfortunately have nothing more I can add.

But again, I posted the item because it raised the issue of sponsorship of such campaigns, however imperfectly. You haven’t addressed that point, by the way.

Cheers
ed

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