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	<title>Comments on: The Blame Game: Zyprexa Judge Blasts The FDA</title>
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		<title>By: Ellen Liversidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Liversidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am a member of the board of the Alliance for Human Research  Protection.  Why do you ask? Do you think that every grieving parent whose child was killed by a drug and who chooses to fight for justice is involved in Scientology?  How naive of you.  Some suffering parents choose to fight while others choose to nurse their broken hearts in the shadows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am a member of the board of the Alliance for Human Research  Protection.  Why do you ask? Do you think that every grieving parent whose child was killed by a drug and who chooses to fight for justice is involved in Scientology?  How naive of you.  Some suffering parents choose to fight while others choose to nurse their broken hearts in the shadows.</p>
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		<title>By: Defending Clinical Care</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367898</link>
		<dc:creator>Defending Clinical Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen Liversidge: Are you affiliated or assisted by the Church of Scientology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen Liversidge: Are you affiliated or assisted by the Church of Scientology?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367648</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say it is about time -- it is nothing new -- the only difference here is they got caught and it went to a court of law.  The blame game?  Please!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say it is about time &#8212; it is nothing new &#8212; the only difference here is they got caught and it went to a court of law.  The blame game?  Please!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367577</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack2 - If you happen to see this, a belated response to one bit of your post above. 

As you say, "frivolous" lawsuit is hard to define.  I'd like to suggest (knowing it is futile in the scheme of thing) that we don't use the phrase at all.  It is obnoxious and dismissive without having any explicit principle behind it.  

Instead, I would prefer a phrase like "exploitative lawsuit," which is really closer to what we're talking about, and a more authentic condemnation.  (Just as we wouldn't say "frivolous fraud.")  A truly exploitative lawsuit ought to be condemned, not simply dismissed as "frivolous."  There is actually nothing "frivolous" about it.

Using such phrases may also helpbreak the knee-jerk responses to these issues as policy so they can be looked at seriously.  So, at least, I'd hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack2 - If you happen to see this, a belated response to one bit of your post above. </p>
<p>As you say, &#8220;frivolous&#8221; lawsuit is hard to define.  I&#8217;d like to suggest (knowing it is futile in the scheme of thing) that we don&#8217;t use the phrase at all.  It is obnoxious and dismissive without having any explicit principle behind it.  </p>
<p>Instead, I would prefer a phrase like &#8220;exploitative lawsuit,&#8221; which is really closer to what we&#8217;re talking about, and a more authentic condemnation.  (Just as we wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;frivolous fraud.&#8221;)  A truly exploitative lawsuit ought to be condemned, not simply dismissed as &#8220;frivolous.&#8221;  There is actually nothing &#8220;frivolous&#8221; about it.</p>
<p>Using such phrases may also helpbreak the knee-jerk responses to these issues as policy so they can be looked at seriously.  So, at least, I&#8217;d hope!</p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIM--

The quote from Eli Lilly's Loren Grossman,M.D., testifying before a Health Canada commission, was this: "We know that some diabetics [no percentage given] cannot use [rDNA] human insulin." 

Lilly's succeeding actions were to withdraw EVERY natural (animal) insulin from the U.S. market--'just a business decision.' What does that tell you about Lilly's concern for those diabetics 'who cannot use human insulin'? My interpretation (except for the small window of opportunity provided by the FDA for personal importation) is "use OUR human insulin and die" or "use no insulin and die"--what a choice! I expect the Colonel, who founded Eli Lilly, as well as Banting &#38; Best--who GAVE their discovery (insulin) to mankind--would be astounded at such compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIM&#8211;</p>
<p>The quote from Eli Lilly&#8217;s Loren Grossman,M.D., testifying before a Health Canada commission, was this: &#8220;We know that some diabetics [no percentage given] cannot use [rDNA] human insulin.&#8221; </p>
<p>Lilly&#8217;s succeeding actions were to withdraw EVERY natural (animal) insulin from the U.S. market&#8211;&#8217;just a business decision.&#8217; What does that tell you about Lilly&#8217;s concern for those diabetics &#8216;who cannot use human insulin&#8217;? My interpretation (except for the small window of opportunity provided by the FDA for personal importation) is &#8220;use OUR human insulin and die&#8221; or &#8220;use no insulin and die&#8221;&#8211;what a choice! I expect the Colonel, who founded Eli Lilly, as well as Banting &amp; Best&#8211;who GAVE their discovery (insulin) to mankind&#8211;would be astounded at such compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367568</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melody/Whatever - I also "lost" a drug on which I relied.  (The "external relations" person actually said this to me directly:  "Don't take it personally.  It's just a business decision.")

Still, as far as I know, there are no plans with withdraw Zyprexa.  Indeed, we will probably see Zyprexa XL, XR, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melody/Whatever - I also &#8220;lost&#8221; a drug on which I relied.  (The &#8220;external relations&#8221; person actually said this to me directly:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t take it personally.  It&#8217;s just a business decision.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Still, as far as I know, there are no plans with withdraw Zyprexa.  Indeed, we will probably see Zyprexa XL, XR, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JIM: Too bad they didn't eat the bottom feeders also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIM: Too bad they didn&#8217;t eat the bottom feeders also.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever-

So you think you may be denied your "lifeline"? You NEED Zyprexa? it worked for you as no other drug did? your life will be miserable without it? SO-o-o-o-?

Corporations are allowed to make any "business decision" they want. Eli Lilly made a decision to withdraw all natural animal-sourced insulins DESPITE their own acknowledgement that some patients COULD NOT TOLERATE (survive on) synthetic insulin, genetically-engineered from E. coli bacteria. Corporations and their bean-counters merely see such individuals as collateral damage . . . there ARE no morality or ethical issues involved when "making a profit" and successfully driving a 'business model.' Let me say--welcome to the club, from another 'expendable' consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever-</p>
<p>So you think you may be denied your &#8220;lifeline&#8221;? You NEED Zyprexa? it worked for you as no other drug did? your life will be miserable without it? SO-o-o-o-?</p>
<p>Corporations are allowed to make any &#8220;business decision&#8221; they want. Eli Lilly made a decision to withdraw all natural animal-sourced insulins DESPITE their own acknowledgement that some patients COULD NOT TOLERATE (survive on) synthetic insulin, genetically-engineered from E. coli bacteria. Corporations and their bean-counters merely see such individuals as collateral damage . . . there ARE no morality or ethical issues involved when &#8220;making a profit&#8221; and successfully driving a &#8216;business model.&#8217; Let me say&#8211;welcome to the club, from another &#8216;expendable&#8217; consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367535</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a late night Michigan thought ...

When our then Governor Engler supported Michigan's preemption law in 1995, his aides stated directly that it was intended to "be a favor to the Upjohn Company."  Remember them?  

And then the bigger Pfish ate the smaller Pfish until the biggest Pfish ate them all.  And swam away, favors notwithstanding.

And so we are left with this legacy after all these years.  We know un-favors when we see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a late night Michigan thought &#8230;</p>
<p>When our then Governor Engler supported Michigan&#8217;s preemption law in 1995, his aides stated directly that it was intended to &#8220;be a favor to the Upjohn Company.&#8221;  Remember them?  </p>
<p>And then the bigger Pfish ate the smaller Pfish until the biggest Pfish ate them all.  And swam away, favors notwithstanding.</p>
<p>And so we are left with this legacy after all these years.  We know un-favors when we see them.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/the-blame-game-zyprexa-judge-blasts-the-fda/#comment-367534</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To whatever - Has anyone suggested that Zyprexa be withdrawn?  Perhaps I missed that in the thread, but I certainly haven't heard it more generally.  And it is certainly not what Judge W. has suggested.

Rather, the issues have been about accurate reporting of risks and benefits, especially in promotional material.  

Do you see the suggestion to withdraw Zyprexa somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whatever - Has anyone suggested that Zyprexa be withdrawn?  Perhaps I missed that in the thread, but I certainly haven&#8217;t heard it more generally.  And it is certainly not what Judge W. has suggested.</p>
<p>Rather, the issues have been about accurate reporting of risks and benefits, especially in promotional material.  </p>
<p>Do you see the suggestion to withdraw Zyprexa somewhere?</p>
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