Comments on: Zyprexa Reps Told Not To Raise Diabetes Concern http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/ News, Comment and Conversation Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:48:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Rachel http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-433948 Rachel Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:28:57 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-433948 I think this article made some interesting points, I read a textbook directly related to this topic, its called Perspectives on Tort Law, Fourth Edition by Robert L. Rabin , I found my used copy for less than the bookstores at http://www.belabooks.com/books/9780735518551.htm I think this article made some interesting points, I read a textbook directly related to this topic, its called Perspectives on Tort Law, Fourth Edition by Robert L. Rabin , I found my used copy for less than the bookstores at http://www.belabooks.com/books/9780735518551.htm

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By: Lilly Man http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368608 Lilly Man Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:44:49 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368608 I think our once proud company has sunken to the depths of the gutter. It seems that ethics no longer is part of our vocabulary, but money certainly is. I think our once proud company has sunken to the depths of the gutter. It seems that ethics no longer is part of our vocabulary, but money certainly is.

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By: Justice in Michigan http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368552 Justice in Michigan Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:44:32 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368552 Jaynesday and Laura - I don't know about NoPoop, but please don't hesitate to contact me. We already have a pretty interesting group. In Michigan, we have twelve years of practice: justiceinmich@gmail.com Re: Laura, as an example of how easy it is to ignore this issue, we ourselves almost always ignore the fact that preemption has _already_ been upheld in the medical devices arena. We are so focused on drugs, that we forget that half the war is already lost (Riegel). It may be that some version of the Waxman/Pallone bill will ultimately change the devices situastion, but that remains to be seen. It may remain to be seen for a long time. We are looking for a few (more) dedicated people. Jaynesday and Laura - I don’t know about NoPoop, but please don’t hesitate to contact me. We already have a pretty interesting group. In Michigan, we have twelve years of practice: justiceinmich@gmail.com

Re: Laura, as an example of how easy it is to ignore this issue, we ourselves almost always ignore the fact that preemption has _already_ been upheld in the medical devices arena. We are so focused on drugs, that we forget that half the war is already lost (Riegel).

It may be that some version of the Waxman/Pallone bill will ultimately change the devices situastion, but that remains to be seen. It may remain to be seen for a long time.

We are looking for a few (more) dedicated people.

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By: Jaynesday http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368545 Jaynesday Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:27 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368545 No-Poop National Organization for People Outraged Over Preemption. Are you serious? No-Poop
National Organization for People Outraged Over Preemption.
Are you serious?

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By: Ed Silverman http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368536 Ed Silverman Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:44:39 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368536 Hi Laura, Thanks much for the kind words, and you're very welcome. I enjoy what I do here and I'm glad to know the information and forum provided are helpful. Have a nice day, ed Hi Laura,

Thanks much for the kind words, and you’re very welcome. I enjoy what I do here and I’m glad to know the information and forum provided are helpful.

Have a nice day,

ed

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By: laura http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368535 laura Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:38:52 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368535 Ed, Thanks for the response. As Justice said, we all owe you a great deal of gratitude. You have provided us a forum in which preemption, as well as other pharma issues, can be discussed, debated, brought to light. Your point about the public's lack of concern with regard to preemption due to their focus on other issues in their lives is spot on. I think Jaynesday said in an earlier post that, unless your own life has been touched in some way by preemption, you're not concerned. The frustrating thing is that we know what is coming with Levine and we just don't know how to stop it. It's like a bad dream where you see the train coming and you can't move fast enough to get out of the way... So, anyway, thank you Ed for doing what you do. All of us, on both sides of the issues, appreciate your reporting, insights and dedication to providing a place where we can go to air our views and see what's going on on the other side of the fence. Ed,
Thanks for the response. As Justice said, we all owe you a great deal of gratitude. You have provided us a forum in which preemption, as well as other pharma issues, can be discussed, debated, brought to light.

Your point about the public’s lack of concern with regard to preemption due to their focus on other issues in their lives is spot on. I think Jaynesday said in an earlier post that, unless your own life has been touched in some way by preemption, you’re not concerned. The frustrating thing is that we know what is coming with Levine and we just don’t know how to stop it. It’s like a bad dream where you see the train coming and you can’t move fast enough to get out of the way…

So, anyway, thank you Ed for doing what you do. All of us, on both sides of the issues, appreciate your reporting, insights and dedication to providing a place where we can go to air our views and see what’s going on on the other side of the fence.

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By: Justice in Michigan http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368533 Justice in Michigan Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:48:54 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368533 Addendum: So don't give up on politics either. Again in Michigan, our law became a big issue in the 2006 state races - big enough that that anti-preemption forces won the State House. Their first action was to vote 60-something to 39 to repeal our law. A number of pr0-preemption incumbents were defeated, Dems and Reps, and that was why. Our House speaker, who was the pro-est of them all, was also history. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the Senate was tougher. A couple of squeaker races gave the preemptors a very narrow (a vote or two) eduge. They have thus been able to bottle up the House vote in committee. Polls show people in Michigan are against preemption by about 2=to=1. That is probably why the preemptors are so anxious that there is no open and public debate on the topic. Michigan is a purple state. If it's 2-to-1 there, it would be even more overwhelmingly rejected most other places. If they had ever heard of it. Addendum: So don’t give up on politics either. Again in Michigan, our law became a big issue in the 2006 state races - big enough that that anti-preemption forces won the State House. Their first action was to vote 60-something to 39 to repeal our law. A number of pr0-preemption incumbents were defeated, Dems and Reps, and that was why. Our House speaker, who was the pro-est of them all, was also history.

Unfortunately, from my perspective, the Senate was tougher. A couple of squeaker races gave the preemptors a very narrow (a vote or two) eduge. They have thus been able to bottle up the House vote in committee.

Polls show people in Michigan are against preemption by about 2=to=1. That is probably why the preemptors are so anxious that there is no open and public debate on the topic. Michigan is a purple state. If it’s 2-to-1 there, it would be even more overwhelmingly rejected most other places.

If they had ever heard of it.

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By: Justice in Michigan http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368532 Justice in Michigan Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:38:58 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368532 Agree with Ed, but even the "personal angle" has limits. In the 12-year fight against preemption in Michigan, "victims" who have no recourse have often figured centrally as spokespeople, testifiers, etc.. This can be compelling, but the pols and sometimes media also treat them as patronizing (especially if they are women, btw). It can be a kind of "poor baby" approach, and one that reinforces the fantasy that this "could never happen to me." Thus the core point is lost in denial and sentimentality. On the other hand, when a young healthy 40-something MD with no CV hx stroked on Vioxx, that was a more "effective story." For a few minutes. Agree with Ed, but even the “personal angle” has limits. In the 12-year fight against preemption in Michigan, “victims” who have no recourse have often figured centrally as spokespeople, testifiers, etc.. This can be compelling, but the pols and sometimes media also treat them as patronizing (especially if they are women, btw).

It can be a kind of “poor baby” approach, and one that reinforces the fantasy that this “could never happen to me.” Thus the core point is lost in denial and sentimentality.

On the other hand, when a young healthy 40-something MD with no CV hx stroked on Vioxx, that was a more “effective story.” For a few minutes.

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By: Ed Silverman http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368522 Ed Silverman Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:35:53 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368522 Hi Laura, Sorry for not responding sooner, but I took the afternoon off. It's Saturday, after all. To answer your question, I don't know exactly. Preemption is a complicated topic and the average person is consumed with their own problems. And for some number of people, this may mean gas prices, housing or credit issues, a job, or other economic turmoil. Even health care costs, in general, have slipped down the list of priority items this summer. I do know that a compelling story that focuses on an individual may generate some interest. This was one key reason that I interviewed Diana Levine earlier this year - she's the one whose suit against Wyeth will be heard by the Supreme Court - and the NYT did a piece about her and preemption shortly afterward. Perhaps another individual's experience would help to illuminate the legal issues and the ensuing debate. Hope this helps, ed Hi Laura,

Sorry for not responding sooner, but I took the afternoon off. It’s Saturday, after all.

To answer your question, I don’t know exactly. Preemption is a complicated topic and the average person is consumed with their own problems. And for some number of people, this may mean gas prices, housing or credit issues, a job, or other economic turmoil. Even health care costs, in general, have slipped down the list of priority items this summer.

I do know that a compelling story that focuses on an individual may generate some interest. This was one key reason that I interviewed Diana Levine earlier this year - she’s the one whose suit against Wyeth will be heard by the Supreme Court - and the NYT did a piece about her and preemption shortly afterward. Perhaps another individual’s experience would help to illuminate the legal issues and the ensuing debate.

Hope this helps,
ed

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By: Lisa Van S http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/07/zyprexa-reps-told-not-to-address-diabetes-concern/#comment-368515 Lisa Van S Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:20:55 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=14913#comment-368515 With the exception that Dan Troy is Grandfather!! With the exception that Dan Troy is Grandfather!!

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