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		<title>By: Antoine Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/california-appeals-court-nixes-preemption-defense/#comment-378344</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoine Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice in MI,

So no one died from fake heparin on the FDA's watch? Or suffered AEs from Vioxx? The price of regulation is public complacency and death.

You seem to think it's out of the question to close down the FDA. That, of course, is one of the problems. If an agency did a good job in 1978, that is not a reason to assume that it works or can work in 2008.

For example, until recently, people wanting a range of opinions (good and bad) about a drug had to rely on word of mouth or official government sources. Now you can check out the sidebar of this blog alone, to get a range of opinion (to say nothing of Facebook patient groups of people actually using the drugs). And a big chunk of people don't trust any information the government puts out, especially when the president is from the other party. Memo to Bush haters: the FDA isn't suddenly going to become more competent at spotting fake ingredients because President Obama is in the White House, unless the FDA's staffers have been deliberately punishing America for Florida 2000.

Tort lawyers are (much of the time) a diabolical nuisance: they create litigation insurance and compliance costs, which are a significant part of the reason prices go up. But are they better motivated to hunt down and punish negligent drugmakers, than the FDA is? You better believe it! One third of the settlement amounts is a powerful motivator. And the payouts hit share prices therefore bonuses. An FDA DTC non-compliance fine two years late? Ha!

On pharmacoviligance, if not the original licensing of a drug, the FDA is not good enough, and I argue, can never be good enough. DTC monitoring is another joke: it would be better if the US public was told: these ads may be full of lies, we don't know so take them with a pinch of salt. And scrap DTC monitoring.

Look at it another way: if you had to pick only one function of the FDA that it does effectively and could not be done better by Public Citizen, ambulance chasing lawyers and blogger, which would it be? The FDA should focus on the thing it has to do, and not pretend to provide perfect safety all the time for everyone. Unicorns don't exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice in MI,</p>
<p>So no one died from fake heparin on the FDA&#8217;s watch? Or suffered AEs from Vioxx? The price of regulation is public complacency and death.</p>
<p>You seem to think it&#8217;s out of the question to close down the FDA. That, of course, is one of the problems. If an agency did a good job in 1978, that is not a reason to assume that it works or can work in 2008.</p>
<p>For example, until recently, people wanting a range of opinions (good and bad) about a drug had to rely on word of mouth or official government sources. Now you can check out the sidebar of this blog alone, to get a range of opinion (to say nothing of Facebook patient groups of people actually using the drugs). And a big chunk of people don&#8217;t trust any information the government puts out, especially when the president is from the other party. Memo to Bush haters: the FDA isn&#8217;t suddenly going to become more competent at spotting fake ingredients because President Obama is in the White House, unless the FDA&#8217;s staffers have been deliberately punishing America for Florida 2000.</p>
<p>Tort lawyers are (much of the time) a diabolical nuisance: they create litigation insurance and compliance costs, which are a significant part of the reason prices go up. But are they better motivated to hunt down and punish negligent drugmakers, than the FDA is? You better believe it! One third of the settlement amounts is a powerful motivator. And the payouts hit share prices therefore bonuses. An FDA DTC non-compliance fine two years late? Ha!</p>
<p>On pharmacoviligance, if not the original licensing of a drug, the FDA is not good enough, and I argue, can never be good enough. DTC monitoring is another joke: it would be better if the US public was told: these ads may be full of lies, we don&#8217;t know so take them with a pinch of salt. And scrap DTC monitoring.</p>
<p>Look at it another way: if you had to pick only one function of the FDA that it does effectively and could not be done better by Public Citizen, ambulance chasing lawyers and blogger, which would it be? The FDA should focus on the thing it has to do, and not pretend to provide perfect safety all the time for everyone. Unicorns don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/california-appeals-court-nixes-preemption-defense/#comment-376985</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would strongly oppose closing down FDA.  That was the preemptors' goal (which they lost) in the mid-90s.  For all its warts, FDA has done much more good than bad, and it has saved industry's butt from its own worst inclinations more than once.  

Some talk about the "price of regulation" and never imagine the price of deregulation - and I'm talking about dollars in this instance, not lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would strongly oppose closing down FDA.  That was the preemptors&#8217; goal (which they lost) in the mid-90s.  For all its warts, FDA has done much more good than bad, and it has saved industry&#8217;s butt from its own worst inclinations more than once.  </p>
<p>Some talk about the &#8220;price of regulation&#8221; and never imagine the price of deregulation - and I&#8217;m talking about dollars in this instance, not lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynesday</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/california-appeals-court-nixes-preemption-defense/#comment-376952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaynesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoine Clarke,
I agree with your prescription for the FDA and pharma. We need to put drug/device companies and the buying public face to face, eyeball to eyeball. No intermediary. If your product works, my friends and I (the American public) will buy it. If it doesn’t, it is so revealed and your product sets on the shelves. No loop holes, no second chances, no sweet deals with the government, no protection from the buyer’s prerogative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoine Clarke,<br />
I agree with your prescription for the FDA and pharma. We need to put drug/device companies and the buying public face to face, eyeball to eyeball. No intermediary. If your product works, my friends and I (the American public) will buy it. If it doesn’t, it is so revealed and your product sets on the shelves. No loop holes, no second chances, no sweet deals with the government, no protection from the buyer’s prerogative.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoine Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/california-appeals-court-nixes-preemption-defense/#comment-376851</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoine Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the FDA provides a false sense of security to US patients. 1) The FDA does not (cannot?) oversee the quality of all pharmaceutical products (think fake heparin) before they reach the US market. 2) Manufacturers hide behind FDA compliance, as in pre-emption, not inspecting suppliers in China (heparin again). 3) Patients trust the label and find it isn't comprehensive or they don't trust the label because they know the FDA "must" be hiding something. Bad either way.

I can't see a solution that doesn't involve shutting down the FDA and letting drugmakers face the music when they get it wrong. So either pre-emption and the FDA does its job (if that's possible, which I doubt), or no pre-emption and close down the FDA's quality oversight role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the FDA provides a false sense of security to US patients. 1) The FDA does not (cannot?) oversee the quality of all pharmaceutical products (think fake heparin) before they reach the US market. 2) Manufacturers hide behind FDA compliance, as in pre-emption, not inspecting suppliers in China (heparin again). 3) Patients trust the label and find it isn&#8217;t comprehensive or they don&#8217;t trust the label because they know the FDA &#8220;must&#8221; be hiding something. Bad either way.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see a solution that doesn&#8217;t involve shutting down the FDA and letting drugmakers face the music when they get it wrong. So either pre-emption and the FDA does its job (if that&#8217;s possible, which I doubt), or no pre-emption and close down the FDA&#8217;s quality oversight role.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/california-appeals-court-nixes-preemption-defense/#comment-376702</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appears to be a Levine-like case - that is, there is no suggestion (at least based on summary here) that the company is being accused of unreasonbly withholding or delaying communication of risk info they had either to FDA or public more generally.  (That need not be willful fraud, btw, but at least lesser negligence.) 

As I recall, the issue of a generic company's responsibilities also came up in Colacicco.  At least one court ruled pretty definitively that a generic company cannot be held liable for not making changes brand company didn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to be a Levine-like case - that is, there is no suggestion (at least based on summary here) that the company is being accused of unreasonbly withholding or delaying communication of risk info they had either to FDA or public more generally.  (That need not be willful fraud, btw, but at least lesser negligence.) </p>
<p>As I recall, the issue of a generic company&#8217;s responsibilities also came up in Colacicco.  At least one court ruled pretty definitively that a generic company cannot be held liable for not making changes brand company didn&#8217;t.</p>
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