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	<title>Comments on: Lilly Faces Zyprexa Class Action By 3rd-Party Payors</title>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371694</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All effective medications have side effects. The risk is on the patient. The patient does the gambling, because ill and desperate.

Allow strict liability in clinical care, you end it. The lawyer will assassinate clinical care, to take its budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All effective medications have side effects. The risk is on the patient. The patient does the gambling, because ill and desperate.</p>
<p>Allow strict liability in clinical care, you end it. The lawyer will assassinate clinical care, to take its budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371685</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supremacy Claus, all well and good that you blow off steam at plaintiff lawyers.  I had a pretty rough experience with them myself after the first five minutes of niceties.  But you fail to address the plaintiff's delemma, or in my case, the plaintiff's next of kin.  The Zyprexa mass torts were a joke.  Many people with mental illness, who got diabetes for life, received a mere pittance, yet they have additional suffering for the rest of their lives.  The families of those who died really had no option.  Many states have wrongful death caps, blocking the plaintiff's next of kin for making a very public case in court - no lawyer will touch such a case.  And the mass torts; well, let me just say I am not permitted to speak of them.  If pre-emption passes, I am sure you will be a happy camper. You have no concept of the pain caused by a drug that you know (now, too late) had/has lethal side effects that were hidden by the drug company.

What should be the penalty against a drug company that disregards killing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supremacy Claus, all well and good that you blow off steam at plaintiff lawyers.  I had a pretty rough experience with them myself after the first five minutes of niceties.  But you fail to address the plaintiff&#8217;s delemma, or in my case, the plaintiff&#8217;s next of kin.  The Zyprexa mass torts were a joke.  Many people with mental illness, who got diabetes for life, received a mere pittance, yet they have additional suffering for the rest of their lives.  The families of those who died really had no option.  Many states have wrongful death caps, blocking the plaintiff&#8217;s next of kin for making a very public case in court - no lawyer will touch such a case.  And the mass torts; well, let me just say I am not permitted to speak of them.  If pre-emption passes, I am sure you will be a happy camper. You have no concept of the pain caused by a drug that you know (now, too late) had/has lethal side effects that were hidden by the drug company.</p>
<p>What should be the penalty against a drug company that disregards killing?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale and I think it's time to saddle up Trigger and say, "Happy trails!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale and I think it&#8217;s time to saddle up Trigger and say, &#8220;Happy trails!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371609</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defense lawyers make as much off this plunder as the plaintiff lawyers. No defense lawyer will ever attack a plaintiff lawyer nor ever, ever attack a judge. If these cult criminals are ever deterred, the defense lawyer loses his job. If fired by a client, the lawyer replaces the client in a minute. The defense lawyer is a total traitor working only for himself. One has to personally threaten the defense lawyer daily, and hire yet another lawyer to intimidate the vile traitor. 

The defendant must protect clinical care by himself. The lawyer responds to pain. I have driven lawyers out of a growing cottage industry of a certain type of litigation, after they had made millions. They got a total ass kicking in court, and endured years of ethics complaints. I have driven other lawyers out of the state. I have driven lawyers out of being lawyers. I have sent out of state lawyers back home, never to return with a litigation that repeatedly worked where they came from. I have never driven out a judge, because they have all helped me. 

All defendants have an affirmative duty to our lawyer besieged nation to never give in to these cult criminals. They have an affirmative duty to inflict endless pain on the cult criminal by asserting every legal right against the vile cult criminal. For five years, I heard the same at every deposition, "I can't believe you sued a lawyer." The lawyer remembers. 

The defense lawyer will never scare the source of his job. I know they get together after a case, and drink to the stupidity of the public. They said that. 

I want see a database of these cult criminals, and shunning by all product and service providers. I want to see them freeze in winter when the heating repairman refuses to repair their heater. The lawyer is a member of a criminal enterprise that has control of the three branches of government. 

Lawyer control laws must be passed. These laws must ban the lawyer from every bench, every legislative seat, and every policy position in the Executive branch. These laws are proper, as the laws banning the convicted felon from responsible positions are. The convicted felon who will steal everything in sight causes far less damage than the vile cult criminal, that loosed millions of criminals on our neighborhoods, and destroyed the American family. No felon has ever tried to do that, as the vile cult criminal has entirely succeeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defense lawyers make as much off this plunder as the plaintiff lawyers. No defense lawyer will ever attack a plaintiff lawyer nor ever, ever attack a judge. If these cult criminals are ever deterred, the defense lawyer loses his job. If fired by a client, the lawyer replaces the client in a minute. The defense lawyer is a total traitor working only for himself. One has to personally threaten the defense lawyer daily, and hire yet another lawyer to intimidate the vile traitor. </p>
<p>The defendant must protect clinical care by himself. The lawyer responds to pain. I have driven lawyers out of a growing cottage industry of a certain type of litigation, after they had made millions. They got a total ass kicking in court, and endured years of ethics complaints. I have driven other lawyers out of the state. I have driven lawyers out of being lawyers. I have sent out of state lawyers back home, never to return with a litigation that repeatedly worked where they came from. I have never driven out a judge, because they have all helped me. </p>
<p>All defendants have an affirmative duty to our lawyer besieged nation to never give in to these cult criminals. They have an affirmative duty to inflict endless pain on the cult criminal by asserting every legal right against the vile cult criminal. For five years, I heard the same at every deposition, &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe you sued a lawyer.&#8221; The lawyer remembers. </p>
<p>The defense lawyer will never scare the source of his job. I know they get together after a case, and drink to the stupidity of the public. They said that. </p>
<p>I want see a database of these cult criminals, and shunning by all product and service providers. I want to see them freeze in winter when the heating repairman refuses to repair their heater. The lawyer is a member of a criminal enterprise that has control of the three branches of government. </p>
<p>Lawyer control laws must be passed. These laws must ban the lawyer from every bench, every legislative seat, and every policy position in the Executive branch. These laws are proper, as the laws banning the convicted felon from responsible positions are. The convicted felon who will steal everything in sight causes far less damage than the vile cult criminal, that loosed millions of criminals on our neighborhoods, and destroyed the American family. No felon has ever tried to do that, as the vile cult criminal has entirely succeeded.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van S</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371605</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supremacy Claus,.. Gee, you sound like a Pfizer Attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supremacy Claus,.. Gee, you sound like a Pfizer Attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371592</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no legal system. There is only a land piracy operation plundering all productive entities. The land pirate got rid of manufacturing. The land pirate killed American shipping. The land pirate killed manufacturing. The land pirate killed the American auto maker. The land pirate killed the American family, the black one in the 1960's, the white one in the 1990's. The land pirate has our economy growing at 3%, while that of our rivals grow at 9%. This vile criminal enterprise is going after drug makers from all sides, with over-regulation and choke holds on the development side. New drug development is almost dead, thanks to the land pirate. Then, there is total plunder on the back end, after they have successfully made some profit. Now. They will be next to leave. 

One difference between the vile land pirate and the Mob? The Mob knows it is the scum of the earth, and lacks the hypocrisy and superciliousness of the land pirate. 

The land pirate has granted itself total immunity from torts and legal accountability. As productive sectors are all under siege, its growth is quite healthy.

As a patient, I feel totally threatened by the land pirate operation going on, as we speak. Self-help is totally justified against the land pirate because there is no legal recourse, and the legal system is rigged airtight by people like Weinstein. Before violence breaks out, a boycott by all productive entities of all lawyers should be attempted. No lawyer should be allowed in any grocery store, any hospital, any barbershop. No product or service should be allowed any lawyer. A database of lawyers should be compiled. They should be excluded from all products or services. Why should people serve their oppressor and the destroyer of their productive entity? To deter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no legal system. There is only a land piracy operation plundering all productive entities. The land pirate got rid of manufacturing. The land pirate killed American shipping. The land pirate killed manufacturing. The land pirate killed the American auto maker. The land pirate killed the American family, the black one in the 1960&#8217;s, the white one in the 1990&#8217;s. The land pirate has our economy growing at 3%, while that of our rivals grow at 9%. This vile criminal enterprise is going after drug makers from all sides, with over-regulation and choke holds on the development side. New drug development is almost dead, thanks to the land pirate. Then, there is total plunder on the back end, after they have successfully made some profit. Now. They will be next to leave. </p>
<p>One difference between the vile land pirate and the Mob? The Mob knows it is the scum of the earth, and lacks the hypocrisy and superciliousness of the land pirate. </p>
<p>The land pirate has granted itself total immunity from torts and legal accountability. As productive sectors are all under siege, its growth is quite healthy.</p>
<p>As a patient, I feel totally threatened by the land pirate operation going on, as we speak. Self-help is totally justified against the land pirate because there is no legal recourse, and the legal system is rigged airtight by people like Weinstein. Before violence breaks out, a boycott by all productive entities of all lawyers should be attempted. No lawyer should be allowed in any grocery store, any hospital, any barbershop. No product or service should be allowed any lawyer. A database of lawyers should be compiled. They should be excluded from all products or services. Why should people serve their oppressor and the destroyer of their productive entity? To deter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne PME</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/09/lilly-faces-zyprexa-class-action-by-3rd-party-payors/#comment-371591</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne PME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry that if this moves forward as is, it may set a dangerous precedent that allows certain Prescription Benefit Managers, state health care offices, insurance companies and pension funds to be 'made whole' by failing to adequately protect patients and providers from unsafe prescriptions. 

Also, in the case of state programs, does anyone know how any potential monies would be split between state, federal and taxpayer? What about increased insurance charges and co-pays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry that if this moves forward as is, it may set a dangerous precedent that allows certain Prescription Benefit Managers, state health care offices, insurance companies and pension funds to be &#8216;made whole&#8217; by failing to adequately protect patients and providers from unsafe prescriptions. </p>
<p>Also, in the case of state programs, does anyone know how any potential monies would be split between state, federal and taxpayer? What about increased insurance charges and co-pays?</p>
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		<title>By: laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, lets get rid of the pesky legal system!! Let pharma just create drugs with no accountability for adverse effects that are discovered and suppressed!! :eyeroll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, lets get rid of the pesky legal system!! Let pharma just create drugs with no accountability for adverse effects that are discovered and suppressed!! :eyeroll:</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condor: After 40, an organ will fail every few years. You will need viable drug companies far more than a cult criminal. 

"Good luck with that."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condor: After 40, an organ will fail every few years. You will need viable drug companies far more than a cult criminal. </p>
<p>&#8220;Good luck with that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erh, Supremacy Claus --

The bulk of US Big Pharma will nver relocate to Africa or India -- the legal environment there is far less certain than here. It just won't ever happen. Bank on it -- thus, yours is a "straw man" argument. It is a non-starter.

As to the rest of your "views" -- all I can say is "Good luck with that!"

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erh, Supremacy Claus &#8211;</p>
<p>The bulk of US Big Pharma will nver relocate to Africa or India &#8212; the legal environment there is far less certain than here. It just won&#8217;t ever happen. Bank on it &#8212; thus, yours is a &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument. It is a non-starter.</p>
<p>As to the rest of your &#8220;views&#8221; &#8212; all I can say is &#8220;Good luck with that!&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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