Emory’s Nemeroff Chafes At Funding Questions
24 CommentsBy Ed Silverman // October 2nd, 2008 // 11:19 am
The ongoing investigation by the Senate Finance Committee seems to be making some universities a bit, well, sensitive to the activities undertaken by faculty members. You may recall that Chuck Grassley, the commitee’s ranking Republican, is probing pharma and NIH funding given academic researchers - particularly psychiatrists - and whether any conflicts are properly disclosed.
So far, the committee has singled out Stanford University’s Alan Schatzberg, Harvard University’s Joe Biederman, Brown University’s Martin Keller, University of Texas’ Karen Wagner and John Rush, and Melissa DelBello at the University of Cincinnati. Charles Nemeroff, the well-known psychiatry chairman at Emory University, has not made the list, but the school appears, nonetheless, to be concerned about any ties between his department and pharma.
The July 28 memo below was written by Nemeroff to Brenda Seiton, the associate dean at the Emory School of Medicine, who apparently wrote him on July 7 to inquire about the level of pharma support given his annual psychiatry residents meeting. His reply, which includes a few redacted words, TK’s and typos, works hard to defend the event, and he closes his remarks by getting a bit pissy and threatening to do things differently in the future, as you can see…
TO: Brenda Seiton, J.D.
From: Charles B. Nemeroff, M.D., Ph.Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences
Date: July 28, 2008
RE: Reply to Your Letter of July 7, 2008, concerning the Emory University Psychiatry Residents Meeting
CC: Maggie McKay, Sr. Associate Vice President for Development
Claudia R. Adkison, J.D., Ph.D., Executive Associate Dean/Administration &
Faculty Affairs, Thomas J. Lawley, M.D., Dean
This is a reply to your correspondence of July 7, 2008, regarding your concerns about the Emory University Psychiatry Residents Meeting. In general, I respond to the various points in your letter in the order in which they appear. However, a few introductory comments are in order. First, as you _____know, this meeting has been held annually for more than 10 years and by all accounts it is nationally recognized as a successful, innovative, unique educational meeting that affords an opportunity for the very best psychiatry residents from throughout the United States to interact with each other, learn what is new and upcoming in psychiatry and to interact with the leaders o academic psychiatry.
Top leaders in psychiatry and neuroscience present formalized lectures with extensive question and answer time and interact with the attends in organized breakfast and lunch sessions to discuss more personalized topics of interest such as career development and research opportunities. Because I have chaired this meeting and the Future Leaders Meeting, I have been the recipient of the First Annual Research Meeting Award given jointly by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and the American Association of Chairs of Departments of Psychiatry as well as the _____ Award from the APA.
Understanding the volatile climate we currently reside in, in which many professional activities are scrutinized with a focus on potential conflicts of interest, I understand that Emory does not want this meeting to appear as a vehicle for influence for pharmaceutical companies or psychiatry resident using but practicing industry sponsored educational events. Multiple pharmaceutical companies are solicited for support and the vast majority contributes to the funding of this meeting. Because __________sponsors _________________whatever, it is hard to imagine how any company could event ______________.
Most of the pharmaceutical companies who support the meeting do not send any company representatives to attend, and those that do, send research scientists. Further, you noted that because of my participation on advisory boards with forest, Janssen and AstraZeneca, the department should be prohibited from receiving their respective funding. This really makes no since at all. First, AstraZeneca is not funding the meeting. Second, all faculty provides complete financial disclosure. Third, apply ACCME guidelines are a non-CME program is apparently a new Emory policy and should have been posted as of one month ago.
All funding received in support of this symposium, as well as the Future Leaders Program, is given directly to the Development Office where it is deposited into a gift account whereby expenses are transparent and open to all and certainly not governed by me. I am confused about your statement that the magnitude of the budget might be viewed as a means to provide gifts to residents and academic leaders. The residents receive only a $100 reimbursement card as the close of the meeting that pays for any travel related expenses, specifically geared towards their transport to and from airports from their homes and meeting destination. In many cases this nominal fee is _________to cover the actual expenses. They do receive meal vouchers to be used only at hotel restaurants while attending the meeting, as do the senior faculty speakers. They cannot be cashed in for any personal gain. Their rooms are paid directly from the meeting account.
Honoraria for the speakers may appear high when compared to ACCME standards, but this is not a CME event in which faculty are asked to comment 1 hour of lecture time. The senior faculty arrive on Thursday afternoon and attend all of the meetings until Sunday at noon the locally send hours with the residents. Thursday finishes the ________Most importantly; we invite the top leaders in the field. In order to be competitive and command their time, we much make the honoraria somewhat competitive with other offerings for them to speak. Otherwise, the caliber of the program would be negatively impacted.
Jan Stevenson is working with Jack Redmond and Janice Dell to refine the budget based on actual expenses incurred over the last few years. The budget presented is used as general guideline for funding support requested. You note that the administrative costs seem high. The time and effort involved in the logistics and coordination of this meeting is extensive and takes place over many months, sometimes requiring pretrips and premeetings with the hotels and vendors. The figure was an approximate of the proportion of salary of the administrative staff who _______project based on time spent and committed to meeting organization and implementation.
The fact that we have not sued Emory preferred vendors in production of the meeting bag is primarily because we are using the vendor from whom we have acquired the bags in years past, and has proven success in quality and reliability. Interestingly, we did request bag samples from an approved Emory vendor for our Future Leaders meeting in May and found the quality of the bags unacceptable. I believe our actual bag costs are less than the budgeted projected cost and this should be reflected in the updated budget.
You quote Guideline 6 from the AMA Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs Opinion E-8.061 in Addendum II Clarification on Gifts to Physicians from Industry regarding their stipulation on reimbursement of travel expenses for residents. Our attendees are nominated by their residency director or department chairman and their name is submitted to us by application. Emory has no process in choosing residents nominated to attend this meeting. Further, whether this meeting would fill criteria as a major educational meeting of national status is debated. It is the only meeting of its kind _________
Textbook of Psychopharmacology, co-authored by myself and Alan Schatzberg, MD is the best selling textbook in our field and is used throughout the United States as a standard of reference. The fact that I am an author is not surprising; I am probably a contributor, co-editor, or author in almost all referenced a_________books in psychiatry. My book written for the lay public,
Peace of Mind Prescription, is actually quite informative. There is absolutely no personal gain from the distribution of these books. We purchase them at the author?s discount through the respective publishers, with no royalties accrued to me whatever.Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, it is unacceptable that we submitted our solicitation request back in early March for this meeting. It was signed by Jack Redmond, our Development Director, on March 18, 2008. In typical Emory fashion ________there has been a major delay in the procession of these requests. As you surely understand, a meeting of this size requires preparations months beforehand. Further, Dr. Adkison approved the $10,000 deposit to the hotel submitted back in October, 2007. Consequently, we deduced, based on this approval and the length of time __________approval required, that there was no real issue with the meeting and we proceeded forward.
Quite frankly, I think it unlikely that in view of the obstacles placed in my path that I will continue to run this meeting in the manor that I have grown accustomed to, after this year. However, in view of the fact that the hotel is booked, ________________faculty __________and the very late date of the letter you forwarded to me, I cannot cancel the meeting for this year.
It would be unfortunate if this meeting cannot continue in the 2009 and beyond under the auspices of Emory University. We are offering an experience for residents, supported through a multitude of pharmaceutical companies, with the simple intent to help promote interest and excitement about the importance of research in psychiatry treatment and encourage pursuit of careers in academic psychiatry as well as foster collaboration within the field. off our hands. Is this what the leadership wants? To destroy something that we have all been proud of? As I have said to ________, please attend the meeting and see for yourself.
I look forward to discussing this matter further with you. If I can provide any additional information, please do not hesitate to let me know.
Erik
I don’t know if Nemeroff “gets pissy.” My vote is that he “throws a hissy”?
Anybody else want to weigh in on Nemeroff’s personality tics?
Marilyn Mann
Arrogant SOB.
Erik
Any suggestions on which scrip Nemeroff should get to calm his nerves? 10 mg of Paxil? Maybe dial him up to 20 mg?
Please, only comments from licensed psychiatrists. Don’t want any FDA violations on this blog.
Izzy
I am a licensed psychiatrist. I believe he should be treated for characterolgical problems, and that his prognosis in any event is quite poor. Believing that academic psychiatry is currently serving a social good, however, may be a delusion.
David Dorgan
Erik,
Joking about Dr. Nemeroff is unwelcomed. He is a brilliant and gifted scientist. I hope he hires ninjas to come after you.
Monkey ninjas.
Also, I love NTTGB.
Lisa Van S
Izzy,
“Psychiatry is currently seving social good”..
Really,.. My Dear,,
Can you Justify prescribing antipsychotics to infants and toddlers?
Lisa Van S
“Nemeroff”,.. Pure ASS,.. if you ask me!!!
Lisa Van S
David Dorgan,…
Ninjas!! AA Okaaaay,.. If you see flying saucers, im sure Nemeroff can provide a private room and psychiatric services at Tax payeer expense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christopher
I know what’s coming back my way after this but here goes: If any of you have organized a symposium, dealt with suppliers, logistics, honoraria, guidelines and officious back office colleagues - while doing a full time job - and still feel this is excessive just let me know. I have, and I can feel his frustration. I have also been responsible for organizing a 3 day offshore meeting for 600 psychiatrists (and spouses) and recognize all the less attractive traits which come out in his memo. If you get beyond his tone and read what he says, it seems quite reasonable. Doesn’t it though?
Keith
Christopher -
Why did the meeting need to be held offshore and with spouses? Also, hopefully the honoraria was only for the speakers.
Lisa Van S
Christopher,..
AHHHH,.. NO! You have dealt with over 600 Psychiatrists(and spouses)– two words, God Bless..
Thom
Christopher, so it was a trip abroad with psychiatrists and spouses? Which drug company picked up the tab?
Izzy
Lisa, I said believing it may be delusional. I don’t believe it. I personally believe child psychiatry is a crime against humanity, drug prescribing being part of the reason. A cross-national study published last week shows considerably higher rates of psychiatric prescribing for kids in the Netherlands and Germany than for U.S. kids. http://www.capmh.com/content/pdf/1753-2000-2-26.pdf. I believe there is no humane justification for this. U.S. prescribing patterns in their entirety are in no way justified by science. Major academic departments have become shams since they begin financing themselves through pharmaceutical money in various forms. I have taught psychiatry residents for 30 years and I have come to speak to them of the “alleged neurosciences” or the “so-called neurosciences.” It is hard for me to even pick up Schatzberg & Nemeroff’s text without shuddering. So please do not misjudge me.
Izzy
correction: U.S. kids are the ones that may get 1.5-2.2 times as much neuroleptic as German and Dutch kids, of course.
Christopher
It was an international meeting held in Europe attended by US and non-US psychiatrists. Of course Keith the honoraria were for participants, not spouses or attending partners. Thom - it doesn’t matter which company sponsored it. Lisa - et cum spiritu tuo.
Keith
On what grounds were the honoraria justified if you were paying participants?
Thom
Christopher “Thom - it doesn’t matter which company sponsored it.”
Better Christopher “Thom, of course a drug company sponsored it. Who else would shell out tens of thousands of dollars for these guys, you silly.”
Tim
As a pharmacist, academician, and researcher, I believe Dr Nemeroff’s failure to disclose these funds is in excusable.
However, the Senate and House are being extremely 2-faced on this issue. They are attempting to purge healthcare and medicine from financial and other conflicts of interest. On the other hand they are asking us to support a $700 billion bailout for the financial industry when the main players (from both parties) in this effort have accepted hundred of thousands of dollars from the financial industry and their lobbyists. Congress must live by the same expectations they expect us to live by.
Izzy
NYT reported today that Dr. Nemeroff has resigned the psychiatry chair at Emory for alleged failure to disclose to the university large sums of drug company earnings. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/health/policy/04drug.html?_r=2&em&oref=slogin&oref=slogin I think he is the first of his band of pseudopsychiatric pseeudoresearchers to take any real hit for the destruction of psychiatry they have wrought. Perhaps Dr. Scully can persuade Dr. Schatzberg to resign as president-elect of the APA.
Ed Silverman
Hi Izzy,
Just for the record, I reported tonight that Nemeroff stepped down. Please take a look at the main page of the Pharmalot site. Looks like the NY Times got hold of the same e-mail - or maybe they read it tonight on Pharmalot, which actually appears on the health page of the paper’s web site every day - and inserted a line in their earlier story as an update. Notice the Times used the word ‘tonight’ in connection with his move. In any event, thanks for stopping by.
Cheers
ed
Broadriver
Maybe other Emory departments should be evaluated for proper CDC grants / Govt Investigational studies where grants made to make sure if one person assigned 100% for one area not getting 100% from another area. This is / would be to show all above board and would help clear up this psychiatry issue which gives the public the view someone appeared blind when not. Transparentcy would help reputation. Bet next will be patient concerns.
Lyle Forehand
Emory and a generation of physicians are the losers, as Dr. Nemeroff steps down. His ire (it seems reasonable to me, but that’s a value judgment) was probably not just at the questions asked, but at the tide of culture, implied by those questions, that led him to resign. Academia and health care are both increasingly in the hands of nincompoops; my hat is off to anyone who remains at the pinnacle of both for long.
The only person in this list who provides some evidence of needing psychiatric treatment is Izzy. The ones who wish to prescribe meds for Dr. Nemeroff without meeting him, based on his slight ire at what sound like idiotic questions, could use at least a good talking to. Maybe they just need to get laid.
can't belive it
This guy is coming to the University of Miami soon. What a joke. Can’t believe that people like this can get a job after all the nonsense that he’s done. Oh well, it looks like business as usual for UM. Great job, President Shalala.
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