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	<title>Comments on: Fred Baron Receives Tysabri, After All</title>
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		<title>By: NyHack</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/fred-baron-receives-tysabri-after-all/#comment-378665</link>
		<dc:creator>NyHack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SNAP apologies for coming back to this so late, but with Ed's new post I took a read back through the comments. 

As the first step of that single patient IND process for emergency or compassionate use, a physcian must request permission from the manufacturer. Without that permission generally the drug will not be made available.

I do not work at the FDA but can assure you having worked with numerous drug companies, that they are NOT in the business of granting approval for a single patient IND for drugs that just entered a Phase 1 trial. While most companies do not make their formal "Compassionate Use" policies public, those that do (Pfizer is one) note that its generaly considered around the beginning of Phase 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SNAP apologies for coming back to this so late, but with Ed&#8217;s new post I took a read back through the comments. </p>
<p>As the first step of that single patient IND process for emergency or compassionate use, a physcian must request permission from the manufacturer. Without that permission generally the drug will not be made available.</p>
<p>I do not work at the FDA but can assure you having worked with numerous drug companies, that they are NOT in the business of granting approval for a single patient IND for drugs that just entered a Phase 1 trial. While most companies do not make their formal &#8220;Compassionate Use&#8221; policies public, those that do (Pfizer is one) note that its generaly considered around the beginning of Phase 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne PME</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne PME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former pharma Marketing Exec, thanks for the post.
Let me try to respond to your post. For patients like Fred Baron and the doctors who treat them, it is about keeping the focus on the war against life threatening and/or terminal disease. This would be much easier w/out all of the secondary battles and strains on resources...all of the complications that make a patient want to stop fighting and create an incentive to stop treating physicians from advocating for their patients. 

I hope that this treatment is successful for Fred Baron, but I know that it he would have a greater chance of successful outcome if he, his family and his doctors did not have to go through hoops to gain access to what his doctors and pharmacist believe may help him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former pharma Marketing Exec, thanks for the post.<br />
Let me try to respond to your post. For patients like Fred Baron and the doctors who treat them, it is about keeping the focus on the war against life threatening and/or terminal disease. This would be much easier w/out all of the secondary battles and strains on resources&#8230;all of the complications that make a patient want to stop fighting and create an incentive to stop treating physicians from advocating for their patients. </p>
<p>I hope that this treatment is successful for Fred Baron, but I know that it he would have a greater chance of successful outcome if he, his family and his doctors did not have to go through hoops to gain access to what his doctors and pharmacist believe may help him.</p>
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		<title>By: louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:
Albert Einstein: “Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:<br />
Albert Einstein: “Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.”</p>
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		<title>By: louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear all,
the rules of life are try to stay well,
for the is so much greed and money to be made
upon those who are ill, 
and bigpharma has no heart,
just very large wallets -
the cures are simple - 
but pills and meds are magic to those who have been subliminally told - this is the cure,
eat mcdonalds, drink diet pepsi w/ aspartame,
we are the fda, we are owned by bigpharma...
we will sell own souls for bigmoney,
because the AMA doesnt make a dime if its population is healthy...
exception -
the nobel winners lose their own rights to cures...
Otto Warburg never was able to publish,
his cancer cure book -
pH balanced systems - is the key to all good health...because your body is in harmony...
drugs kill the liver, acidify the system,
the druglords of bigpharma should wake up -
because the more you drugs us with chemo,
and radiate us, feed us poison by way of the monsanto crap crops -
soon we shall all be dead, and bigpharma will have no one to suck blood money from~
sincerely,
louise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear all,<br />
the rules of life are try to stay well,<br />
for the is so much greed and money to be made<br />
upon those who are ill,<br />
and bigpharma has no heart,<br />
just very large wallets -<br />
the cures are simple -<br />
but pills and meds are magic to those who have been subliminally told - this is the cure,<br />
eat mcdonalds, drink diet pepsi w/ aspartame,<br />
we are the fda, we are owned by bigpharma&#8230;<br />
we will sell own souls for bigmoney,<br />
because the AMA doesnt make a dime if its population is healthy&#8230;<br />
exception -<br />
the nobel winners lose their own rights to cures&#8230;<br />
Otto Warburg never was able to publish,<br />
his cancer cure book -<br />
pH balanced systems - is the key to all good health&#8230;because your body is in harmony&#8230;<br />
drugs kill the liver, acidify the system,<br />
the druglords of bigpharma should wake up -<br />
because the more you drugs us with chemo,<br />
and radiate us, feed us poison by way of the monsanto crap crops -<br />
soon we shall all be dead, and bigpharma will have no one to suck blood money from~<br />
sincerely,<br />
louise</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Wittekind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula Wittekind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you didn't watch 'Living Proof' on Lifetime last night, I'd recommend you try to catch it tonight.  It's on at 8:00 p.m.ET Based on a true story about a breast cancer treatment, 
it's pretty inclusive about the struggle to get a drug from pre-clinical to market and includes :  time span, funding struggle, importance of celebrities, sparse info and lack of compassion from medical community, importance of patient advocates at the trial design table, impossible standards that doom trials to failure, the need for a relentless champion of the treatment.....and more.

The pharmas are the bad guys and will remain so in the public's eye until they stop paying their CEO's unacceptable amounts of money, with the research mafia close behind accepting money for delivering shabby and biased research results.  When people are placed at the top of the prioity list, private jets may disappear and the world will be a healthier place.

Oh, do I sound cynical?  I learned it all trying to get GDNF from Amgen for Parkinson's patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you didn&#8217;t watch &#8216;Living Proof&#8217; on Lifetime last night, I&#8217;d recommend you try to catch it tonight.  It&#8217;s on at 8:00 p.m.ET Based on a true story about a breast cancer treatment,<br />
it&#8217;s pretty inclusive about the struggle to get a drug from pre-clinical to market and includes :  time span, funding struggle, importance of celebrities, sparse info and lack of compassion from medical community, importance of patient advocates at the trial design table, impossible standards that doom trials to failure, the need for a relentless champion of the treatment&#8230;..and more.</p>
<p>The pharmas are the bad guys and will remain so in the public&#8217;s eye until they stop paying their CEO&#8217;s unacceptable amounts of money, with the research mafia close behind accepting money for delivering shabby and biased research results.  When people are placed at the top of the prioity list, private jets may disappear and the world will be a healthier place.</p>
<p>Oh, do I sound cynical?  I learned it all trying to get GDNF from Amgen for Parkinson&#8217;s patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Former pharma Marketing Exec</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/fred-baron-receives-tysabri-after-all/#comment-378454</link>
		<dc:creator>Former pharma Marketing Exec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne PME,

I think you and others are missing a point here.

By creating this "noise" about accessing this drug, I hope more patients are now more aware of its existence.

Each of the high profile people who called on Mr. Baron's behalf to plead his case and get access have been generous to cancer patients in many ways.

It is by shinning a light into the dark corners that Pharma would like to remain dark - sometimes, that we can be of benefit to people.

As for me, I can personally state that I spend a great deal of time advocating, working and caring for cancer patients.  Providing input on issues as important as this one, is also key to helping patients.

But you are right, this is a wasteful and mostly dysfunctional health care system.

Stay healthy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne PME,</p>
<p>I think you and others are missing a point here.</p>
<p>By creating this &#8220;noise&#8221; about accessing this drug, I hope more patients are now more aware of its existence.</p>
<p>Each of the high profile people who called on Mr. Baron&#8217;s behalf to plead his case and get access have been generous to cancer patients in many ways.</p>
<p>It is by shinning a light into the dark corners that Pharma would like to remain dark - sometimes, that we can be of benefit to people.</p>
<p>As for me, I can personally state that I spend a great deal of time advocating, working and caring for cancer patients.  Providing input on issues as important as this one, is also key to helping patients.</p>
<p>But you are right, this is a wasteful and mostly dysfunctional health care system.</p>
<p>Stay healthy!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne PME</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne PME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear that Mr. Baron will gain access to Tysabri. Best wishes for a successful outcome.

By exposing the good, the bad and the dysfunction of a system where the medical advice and counsel of politicians and celebrities means more than a treating physician's recommendation, Ed Silverman and Pharmalot likely helped Mr. Baron's physicians close this deal.

I look at all of the resources that have been expended to help Mr. Baron gain (hopefully prompt) access to treatment and I can't help but think that they would be better spent on actually providing treating physician recomended therapies and services to cancer and other patients. 

All of us have had the time to post about this topic. With the exception of Ed, would our time be better spent volunteering to help a cancer (or other) patient rather than posting about it? It probably would be, but unfortunately in a wasteful and dysfuntional system like the US Health system, things don't work that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear that Mr. Baron will gain access to Tysabri. Best wishes for a successful outcome.</p>
<p>By exposing the good, the bad and the dysfunction of a system where the medical advice and counsel of politicians and celebrities means more than a treating physician&#8217;s recommendation, Ed Silverman and Pharmalot likely helped Mr. Baron&#8217;s physicians close this deal.</p>
<p>I look at all of the resources that have been expended to help Mr. Baron gain (hopefully prompt) access to treatment and I can&#8217;t help but think that they would be better spent on actually providing treating physician recomended therapies and services to cancer and other patients. </p>
<p>All of us have had the time to post about this topic. With the exception of Ed, would our time be better spent volunteering to help a cancer (or other) patient rather than posting about it? It probably would be, but unfortunately in a wasteful and dysfuntional system like the US Health system, things don&#8217;t work that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Former pharma Marketing Exec</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/fred-baron-receives-tysabri-after-all/#comment-378427</link>
		<dc:creator>Former pharma Marketing Exec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Folks, the next time you want to rant here how the little guy never gets his share, and how this "Mr. Somebody" jumped the cue, please research your facts better.

There are some prominent cases of ordinary folks petitioning drug companies and it has worked. These were for drugs in phase I and Phase II

What I disagreed with was the reason Biogen used to deny access.  

That being said, I concur with Nathan and the others who suggested that anyone need access to the drug, then petition all the people who helped Mr. Barton. 

I personally do not think the Pharma world is an evil empire.  I think some of the decisions they make, along with the FDA are "crazy" and not well thought out.  However, sometimes, and unfortunately, those times are rare, they do get it right.

Patients should beware though, if there is too much commotion made and many people are clamoring for the drug, well, the price will no doubt go up.

How can this crazy system be fixed?  We shouldn't be putting the lives of fellow human beings at the mercy of for profit businesses.  But, since that is unlikely to change, this is what we get.

With regards to the comments on the constitution, if one were quite savy in the art of debate, one might find that health issues could, COULD, be covered under the 14th amendment - (hmm, it could also provide insight for preemption)

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

One could argue that blocking access to potentially life saving drugs and devices, ensuring certain death, might not be in keeping with the spirit of the 14th amendment.

Not anti pharma, just wishing they would get it right more often.
Snap, thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Folks, the next time you want to rant here how the little guy never gets his share, and how this &#8220;Mr. Somebody&#8221; jumped the cue, please research your facts better.</p>
<p>There are some prominent cases of ordinary folks petitioning drug companies and it has worked. These were for drugs in phase I and Phase II</p>
<p>What I disagreed with was the reason Biogen used to deny access.  </p>
<p>That being said, I concur with Nathan and the others who suggested that anyone need access to the drug, then petition all the people who helped Mr. Barton. </p>
<p>I personally do not think the Pharma world is an evil empire.  I think some of the decisions they make, along with the FDA are &#8220;crazy&#8221; and not well thought out.  However, sometimes, and unfortunately, those times are rare, they do get it right.</p>
<p>Patients should beware though, if there is too much commotion made and many people are clamoring for the drug, well, the price will no doubt go up.</p>
<p>How can this crazy system be fixed?  We shouldn&#8217;t be putting the lives of fellow human beings at the mercy of for profit businesses.  But, since that is unlikely to change, this is what we get.</p>
<p>With regards to the comments on the constitution, if one were quite savy in the art of debate, one might find that health issues could, COULD, be covered under the 14th amendment - (hmm, it could also provide insight for preemption)</p>
<p>&#8220;No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>One could argue that blocking access to potentially life saving drugs and devices, ensuring certain death, might not be in keeping with the spirit of the 14th amendment.</p>
<p>Not anti pharma, just wishing they would get it right more often.<br />
Snap, thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/fred-baron-receives-tysabri-after-all/#comment-378425</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SNAP

Thanks for your professional comments. Nice to see objective handling rather than one presenting what they think is right or should be.

By the way, the Constitution does not extend to the FDA as a separate entity. Equal rights does not mean equal health benefits. If there was "equality" across the board, our country would make a nice communist regime. We are where we are because of the democratic system helped by competition or can I say, capitalism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SNAP</p>
<p>Thanks for your professional comments. Nice to see objective handling rather than one presenting what they think is right or should be.</p>
<p>By the way, the Constitution does not extend to the FDA as a separate entity. Equal rights does not mean equal health benefits. If there was &#8220;equality&#8221; across the board, our country would make a nice communist regime. We are where we are because of the democratic system helped by competition or can I say, capitalism!</p>
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		<title>By: SNAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SNAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NyHack - Please provide the basis in fact for your statement:  "To argue that compassionate use is commonplace with drugs in phase 1 trials is just plain false."  What information do you have to back this up?  I don't think you have any.  I've seen the medical officers at the FDA bend over backwards to try to grant single patient exemptions for non-well connected patients as the rule, not the exception.  They just don't get the publicity that this case received.  BTW -- although commonly used, the term "compassionate use" is NOT in the IND regulations.  Please do your homework before you make statements such as this.

FDA employee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NyHack - Please provide the basis in fact for your statement:  &#8220;To argue that compassionate use is commonplace with drugs in phase 1 trials is just plain false.&#8221;  What information do you have to back this up?  I don&#8217;t think you have any.  I&#8217;ve seen the medical officers at the FDA bend over backwards to try to grant single patient exemptions for non-well connected patients as the rule, not the exception.  They just don&#8217;t get the publicity that this case received.  BTW &#8212; although commonly used, the term &#8220;compassionate use&#8221; is NOT in the IND regulations.  Please do your homework before you make statements such as this.</p>
<p>FDA employee</p>
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