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	<title>Comments on: Wyeth Can Be Sued For Thimerosal In A Vaccine</title>
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		<title>By: john q puplic</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-649597</link>
		<dc:creator>john q puplic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until you've have had a child that ate, played, and talked normally with you. To having a child that rocks back and forth and only SCREAMS. All within a very short period of time after receiving the MMR shot. 
THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!! 
I do...
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B. Martin, MD- whether thimerosal is linked to autism (which it is not). 

IT SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!

What studies do you site, gov. sponsored? 
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Funny how we can sue everyone else on earth but big pharma. hummmmm

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1 person died of the swine flu in the 70's
25 died and many more permanently harmed because of the vaccine.

 In  the mid-1990s, during a period of less than five years, there were 
13,641 documented adverse reactions to the oral polio vaccine. 6,364 of 
these were serious enough to require hospital emergency room visits. 540 
people died.

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The STATISTICAL history of vaccines shows that vaccines have NEVER played a major roll in preventing disease and that mass vaccinations campaigns have more to do with finances than with health!
http://www.rawfed.com/vax/stats.html
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yeah doc &#38; the rest of the brain dead crew might want to read a book or 2.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until you&#8217;ve have had a child that ate, played, and talked normally with you. To having a child that rocks back and forth and only SCREAMS. All within a very short period of time after receiving the MMR shot.<br />
THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!!<br />
I do&#8230;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>B. Martin, MD- whether thimerosal is linked to autism (which it is not). </p>
<p>IT SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>What studies do you site, gov. sponsored?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Funny how we can sue everyone else on earth but big pharma. hummmmm</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
1 person died of the swine flu in the 70&#8217;s<br />
25 died and many more permanently harmed because of the vaccine.</p>
<p> In  the mid-1990s, during a period of less than five years, there were<br />
13,641 documented adverse reactions to the oral polio vaccine. 6,364 of<br />
these were serious enough to require hospital emergency room visits. 540<br />
people died.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
The STATISTICAL history of vaccines shows that vaccines have NEVER played a major roll in preventing disease and that mass vaccinations campaigns have more to do with finances than with health!<br />
<a href="http://www.rawfed.com/vax/stats.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawfed.com/vax/stats.html</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>yeah doc &amp; the rest of the brain dead crew might want to read a book or 2&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377905</link>
		<dc:creator>laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, the "Laurie" that posted regarding vaccines has a capitol "L"..mine is lower case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, the &#8220;Laurie&#8221; that posted regarding vaccines has a capitol &#8220;L&#8221;..mine is lower case.</p>
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		<title>By: laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377904</link>
		<dc:creator>laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That post is not me...I believe we have a second Laurie on pharmalot. My take on vaccines is...do your research and make your own decisions. 

I'll get in touch with Ed to see what he can do about the duplicate names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That post is not me&#8230;I believe we have a second Laurie on pharmalot. My take on vaccines is&#8230;do your research and make your own decisions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get in touch with Ed to see what he can do about the duplicate names.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377900</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, if you're own ears have heard, in a manufacturing filling area: "everyone knows there is aluminum in vaccines, the trick is to make sure the particles are small enough not to see", you'd think differently.

Enjoy your flu shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, if you&#8217;re own ears have heard, in a manufacturing filling area: &#8220;everyone knows there is aluminum in vaccines, the trick is to make sure the particles are small enough not to see&#8221;, you&#8217;d think differently.</p>
<p>Enjoy your flu shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377649</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,
Aren't you a nurse?  Do you advise your patients not to get vaccines?  If so, is the doctor you work for aware of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,<br />
Aren&#8217;t you a nurse?  Do you advise your patients not to get vaccines?  If so, is the doctor you work for aware of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Dad Fourkids</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377636</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad Fourkids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The core issue at this matter is that vaccines manufacturer's have pressed for protection from prosecution that no other corporation enjoys.  The Feds and major medical associations back this because they have vested interests in preserving compulsary vaccination.  The philosophy of pre-emption should only come into play where the FDA's findings have the full backing of science.  This is not the case with thimerosal in particular and many medical products in general.

To start with, thimerosal has NEVER been tested for safety in pediatric vaccines, and the same base chemical, ethyl mercury, has been found to be unsuitable for topical solutions such as disinfectants and also as a preservative in eye drops and ear drops.  It was "grandfathered" into use when the FDA was formed and allowed to remain even to this day in many vaccines.  So the FDA cannot have an opinion on its safety, therefore pre-emption should not hold true.

It is interesting to note that the "5 major studies" which "exxonerate" thimerosal from the autism question were all statistical manipulations conducted by people with a direct interest in not being sued over it's use (vaccine manufcturers and employees of the CDC).  And we all know the veracity of statistics.  One of the 5 studies was generated using the VAERs database, which Gerberding stated just this year was such a flawed dataset that no conclusions could be derived from it.

What the IOM and NAS did not consider were several clinical studies which actually examined the biological occurances from the use of thimerosal in vaccination, all of which were consistant with theory of thimerosal triggering autism.

The court was correct in allowing this suit to proceed.  If the science will back the plaintiff's claim, the defense will lose.  If the science will not, then Pharma will prevail, and they will have a valuable precedent against any further suits.

But we do have to evaluate the situation honestly, regardless of the fall-out.  Thimerosal and autism, should it prove to be true, would only be the latest example of the medical heirarchy defending an unsound situation or practice simply because that is the status quo, and they don't want to look like they were flying blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The core issue at this matter is that vaccines manufacturer&#8217;s have pressed for protection from prosecution that no other corporation enjoys.  The Feds and major medical associations back this because they have vested interests in preserving compulsary vaccination.  The philosophy of pre-emption should only come into play where the FDA&#8217;s findings have the full backing of science.  This is not the case with thimerosal in particular and many medical products in general.</p>
<p>To start with, thimerosal has NEVER been tested for safety in pediatric vaccines, and the same base chemical, ethyl mercury, has been found to be unsuitable for topical solutions such as disinfectants and also as a preservative in eye drops and ear drops.  It was &#8220;grandfathered&#8221; into use when the FDA was formed and allowed to remain even to this day in many vaccines.  So the FDA cannot have an opinion on its safety, therefore pre-emption should not hold true.</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that the &#8220;5 major studies&#8221; which &#8220;exxonerate&#8221; thimerosal from the autism question were all statistical manipulations conducted by people with a direct interest in not being sued over it&#8217;s use (vaccine manufcturers and employees of the CDC).  And we all know the veracity of statistics.  One of the 5 studies was generated using the VAERs database, which Gerberding stated just this year was such a flawed dataset that no conclusions could be derived from it.</p>
<p>What the IOM and NAS did not consider were several clinical studies which actually examined the biological occurances from the use of thimerosal in vaccination, all of which were consistant with theory of thimerosal triggering autism.</p>
<p>The court was correct in allowing this suit to proceed.  If the science will back the plaintiff&#8217;s claim, the defense will lose.  If the science will not, then Pharma will prevail, and they will have a valuable precedent against any further suits.</p>
<p>But we do have to evaluate the situation honestly, regardless of the fall-out.  Thimerosal and autism, should it prove to be true, would only be the latest example of the medical heirarchy defending an unsound situation or practice simply because that is the status quo, and they don&#8217;t want to look like they were flying blind.</p>
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		<title>By: judy</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377628</link>
		<dc:creator>judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly hope this is not the beginning of a trend. vaccines not only save lives, but they save tons of money and health care resources in the treatment of vaccine-preventable diseases. The reason the Vaccine Compensation Fund was created by the federal government was to keep people from suing the pharma companies directly. Pharma will not produce vaccine if it is not profitable and we needs vaccines to keep our communities healthy and health care expenditures down. This could be a pretty slippery slope and I hope that judge realizes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly hope this is not the beginning of a trend. vaccines not only save lives, but they save tons of money and health care resources in the treatment of vaccine-preventable diseases. The reason the Vaccine Compensation Fund was created by the federal government was to keep people from suing the pharma companies directly. Pharma will not produce vaccine if it is not profitable and we needs vaccines to keep our communities healthy and health care expenditures down. This could be a pretty slippery slope and I hope that judge realizes it.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Campaigne</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377626</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Campaigne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, to all the pro vaccination cheerleaders out there....
What does cause Autism?

Please explain in a million words or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to all the pro vaccination cheerleaders out there&#8230;.<br />
What does cause Autism?</p>
<p>Please explain in a million words or less.</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377622</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My claim's are all based on research , knowledge and FACTS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My claim&#8217;s are all based on research , knowledge and FACTS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: truthman30</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/10/wyeth-can-be-sued-for-thimerosal-in-a-vaccine/#comment-377621</link>
		<dc:creator>truthman30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"That post was right up there with some of Truthman’s claims!" 

Shut up Nathan....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That post was right up there with some of Truthman’s claims!&#8221; </p>
<p>Shut up Nathan&#8230;.</p>
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