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	<title>Comments on: Asthma Drugs Too Dangerous For Kids: FDA</title>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383867</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....given that thinking about such things is preemptedd once FDA has made a determination.

I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.given that thinking about such things is preemptedd once FDA has made a determination.</p>
<p>I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383862</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ed!  I will have to dig.  

Re: AE's in general, many on LILLI's list are "standard" for steroids, along with some that our LABA specific.  

We hear versions of some of them on Advair DTC ads.  Personally, I find the ads' reference to "certain eye probelms" - rather than explicitly  naming cataracts and glaucoma - to head toward  misleading, if not actually false.  But DDMAC presumably approved it, so who I am I to say....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ed!  I will have to dig.  </p>
<p>Re: AE&#8217;s in general, many on LILLI&#8217;s list are &#8220;standard&#8221; for steroids, along with some that our LABA specific.  </p>
<p>We hear versions of some of them on Advair DTC ads.  Personally, I find the ads&#8217; reference to &#8220;certain eye probelms&#8221; - rather than explicitly  naming cataracts and glaucoma - to head toward  misleading, if not actually false.  But DDMAC presumably approved it, so who I am I to say&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LILLI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383861</link>
		<dc:creator>LILLI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news media does not tell all the information. 

Based on their findings, the FDA proposed a number of changes to the Advair Diskus product label, stating that although LABAs decrease the number of asthma episodes, the medications may increase the severity of those episodes, which can potentially cause death. Additional documented side effects from the Advair Diskus asthma medication include:

Severe asthma episodes, potentially resulting in death 
Immune system effect and a higher chance for infections 
Lower bone mineral density 
Glaucoma and cataracts 
Slowed growth in children 
Increased blood pressure 
Difficulty speaking 
Fast and irregular heartbeat 
Allergic reactions including rash, hives and swelling of the face, mouth and tongue 
Headache 
Tremors 
Nervousness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news media does not tell all the information. </p>
<p>Based on their findings, the FDA proposed a number of changes to the Advair Diskus product label, stating that although LABAs decrease the number of asthma episodes, the medications may increase the severity of those episodes, which can potentially cause death. Additional documented side effects from the Advair Diskus asthma medication include:</p>
<p>Severe asthma episodes, potentially resulting in death<br />
Immune system effect and a higher chance for infections<br />
Lower bone mineral density<br />
Glaucoma and cataracts<br />
Slowed growth in children<br />
Increased blood pressure<br />
Difficulty speaking<br />
Fast and irregular heartbeat<br />
Allergic reactions including rash, hives and swelling of the face, mouth and tongue<br />
Headache<br />
Tremors<br />
Nervousness</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383860</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justice,

The reference to a reduced risk when combining Advair with a steroid comes from the FDA briefing materials. There's a lot there and I confess I haven't read all 460 pages, but if you click on the link I provided in the post, you may find something to help you.

Best
ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justice,</p>
<p>The reference to a reduced risk when combining Advair with a steroid comes from the FDA briefing materials. There&#8217;s a lot there and I confess I haven&#8217;t read all 460 pages, but if you click on the link I provided in the post, you may find something to help you.</p>
<p>Best<br />
ed</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383859</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question for anyone who knows:

We commonly hear the claim (it was in today's NYT) that when a LABA is combined with a steroid, as in Advair, the risk of AE's significantly reduces.

Does the science support this claim?  Can anyone refer me to relevant and reliable studies?  Does whatever differential risk vary across age group?  And how does dose impact?  (e.g., does the lowest dose Advair, 100/50 differ in AEs from salmeterol alone?)

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question for anyone who knows:</p>
<p>We commonly hear the claim (it was in today&#8217;s NYT) that when a LABA is combined with a steroid, as in Advair, the risk of AE&#8217;s significantly reduces.</p>
<p>Does the science support this claim?  Can anyone refer me to relevant and reliable studies?  Does whatever differential risk vary across age group?  And how does dose impact?  (e.g., does the lowest dose Advair, 100/50 differ in AEs from salmeterol alone?)</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383847</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a big mistake in my initial shoot from the hip comment at Shearlings got Plowed. The corrected comment follows.

But do read the rest it's still of interest for antipsychotics and antinflammatory effect of Statins.

The text said it was mainly Serevent (GSK) that caused problems, and yes Servent is metabolized by 3A4 to an inactive alpha Hydroxy but the structure is not right for 5HT receptor activity.

As for Serevent when you add a 3A4 inhibitor bioavailability goes up 16 fold which means that 94% is metabolized by 3A4. So at least for Serevent it's likely that it's loss of activity that's likely the cause.

Now Foradil's second primary pathway is also hydroxylation which is mediated by several CYPs but primarily 2D6 and Ethiopians have a 17% incidence of being  extensive metabolizers of CYP2D6.

Now I don't know why SP would pull Foradil.

But I may have some insight on this AC meeting. These LABAs already have black box warnings about these risksm and right now FDA and Pharma is pushing pharmacogenetics and drug device testing. In fact they got language put in the FDAAA 2007 to require it for kids when there's new info. So somebody is likely to make a lot of money off of testing everybody on Serevent, and Serevent is such a perfect case to use to push this and also establish a thought in the minds of physicians for the future.

Now Glaxo has been looking to market drugs and genetic tests together since the late 1980's or early '90's but there has been some issues, e.g. finding genes, industrialization (developing chips to do testing on a mass scale), patent issues. Plus they had to wait until FDA came up with the 'criteria' for approval of these tests and this is also one of the areas where industry has been complaining that FDA science isn't up to speed and will slow up approvals (of genetic tests) if they don't get new people etc. 

Well back to GSK back in the mid 90's they helped finance Human Genome Sciences then later they bought Smith Kline. One of the main reasons they bought Smith Kline is because they own Smith Kline Beecham which picks up blood samples from physician offices and runs lab tests. This way GSK will be running the pharmacogenetic tests that this will require, 40,000 x $100 = $40,000,000 on Serevent alone. Plus I don't know who makes the chips but Glaxo has been in codevelopment agreements with Roche and remember SP has SPRI and remember who recently got a big raise.

Now one of the questions people should ask is if this was so obvious about 3A4 and AAs just knowing general info, why wasn't it simply put in the label before then physicians might know to avoid this specific drug in AAs. The only reason I can see is because GSK didn't want to hurt sales (10% drop in sales vs. paying to fight and payoff the legal fees for a couple of dozen kids who died). Plus if preemption passes they won't even have to pay that.

As an aside it was really interesting back in July 2007 right after FDA came out with an approval mechanism for genetic testing that there was test approved for colon cancer. Plus right around the same time President Bush turned over power to Cheney for 1 day so he could undergo a colonoscopy and be checked. Plus this also coincided with a PR campaign by HHS for people to be checked for colon cancer. Yes isn't it great that we have an MBA for a President.

Salmon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a big mistake in my initial shoot from the hip comment at Shearlings got Plowed. The corrected comment follows.</p>
<p>But do read the rest it&#8217;s still of interest for antipsychotics and antinflammatory effect of Statins.</p>
<p>The text said it was mainly Serevent (GSK) that caused problems, and yes Servent is metabolized by 3A4 to an inactive alpha Hydroxy but the structure is not right for 5HT receptor activity.</p>
<p>As for Serevent when you add a 3A4 inhibitor bioavailability goes up 16 fold which means that 94% is metabolized by 3A4. So at least for Serevent it&#8217;s likely that it&#8217;s loss of activity that&#8217;s likely the cause.</p>
<p>Now Foradil&#8217;s second primary pathway is also hydroxylation which is mediated by several CYPs but primarily 2D6 and Ethiopians have a 17% incidence of being  extensive metabolizers of CYP2D6.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know why SP would pull Foradil.</p>
<p>But I may have some insight on this AC meeting. These LABAs already have black box warnings about these risksm and right now FDA and Pharma is pushing pharmacogenetics and drug device testing. In fact they got language put in the FDAAA 2007 to require it for kids when there&#8217;s new info. So somebody is likely to make a lot of money off of testing everybody on Serevent, and Serevent is such a perfect case to use to push this and also establish a thought in the minds of physicians for the future.</p>
<p>Now Glaxo has been looking to market drugs and genetic tests together since the late 1980&#8217;s or early &#8217;90&#8217;s but there has been some issues, e.g. finding genes, industrialization (developing chips to do testing on a mass scale), patent issues. Plus they had to wait until FDA came up with the &#8216;criteria&#8217; for approval of these tests and this is also one of the areas where industry has been complaining that FDA science isn&#8217;t up to speed and will slow up approvals (of genetic tests) if they don&#8217;t get new people etc. </p>
<p>Well back to GSK back in the mid 90&#8217;s they helped finance Human Genome Sciences then later they bought Smith Kline. One of the main reasons they bought Smith Kline is because they own Smith Kline Beecham which picks up blood samples from physician offices and runs lab tests. This way GSK will be running the pharmacogenetic tests that this will require, 40,000 x $100 = $40,000,000 on Serevent alone. Plus I don&#8217;t know who makes the chips but Glaxo has been in codevelopment agreements with Roche and remember SP has SPRI and remember who recently got a big raise.</p>
<p>Now one of the questions people should ask is if this was so obvious about 3A4 and AAs just knowing general info, why wasn&#8217;t it simply put in the label before then physicians might know to avoid this specific drug in AAs. The only reason I can see is because GSK didn&#8217;t want to hurt sales (10% drop in sales vs. paying to fight and payoff the legal fees for a couple of dozen kids who died). Plus if preemption passes they won&#8217;t even have to pay that.</p>
<p>As an aside it was really interesting back in July 2007 right after FDA came out with an approval mechanism for genetic testing that there was test approved for colon cancer. Plus right around the same time President Bush turned over power to Cheney for 1 day so he could undergo a colonoscopy and be checked. Plus this also coincided with a PR campaign by HHS for people to be checked for colon cancer. Yes isn&#8217;t it great that we have an MBA for a President.</p>
<p>Salmon</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/asthma-drugs-too-dangerous-for-kids-fda/#comment-383830</link>
		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That keen science-of-chemistry-mind, "Salmon", had some very interesting observations on all of this, and African-American genetic factors, in the comment box, at my blog, earlier today:

http://shearlingsplowed.blogspot.com/2008/12/fda-scherings-long-acting-beta-agonist.html


Well worth the read. Provocative, and enlightened.

Salmon sees meta-structures, chemical, and collusive -- where others see. . . . only coincidences. On balance, I think he may be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That keen science-of-chemistry-mind, &#8220;Salmon&#8221;, had some very interesting observations on all of this, and African-American genetic factors, in the comment box, at my blog, earlier today:</p>
<p><a href="http://shearlingsplowed.blogspot.com/2008/12/fda-scherings-long-acting-beta-agonist.html" rel="nofollow">http://shearlingsplowed.blogspot.com/2008/12/fda-scherings-long-acting-beta-agonist.html</a></p>
<p>Well worth the read. Provocative, and enlightened.</p>
<p>Salmon sees meta-structures, chemical, and collusive &#8212; where others see. . . . only coincidences. On balance, I think he may be right.</p>
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