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	<title>Comments on: Generics Are Good As Brand-Name Meds: Study</title>
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		<title>By: Just A Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just A Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some generics are better than others and the brand name ones are not always the best. 

My doctor DAWs a generic and my pharmacist will order it in if he doesn't have it. They were mortified by how things went down with Dilantin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some generics are better than others and the brand name ones are not always the best. </p>
<p>My doctor DAWs a generic and my pharmacist will order it in if he doesn&#8217;t have it. They were mortified by how things went down with Dilantin.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George - good points, but one thing to take note of is that the FDA isn't this all seeing eye.  They occasionally do audit manufacturing sites, but not as frequently in foreign countries.  The pharma companies are their own watchdogs when they outsource, as they are liable for the full supply chain.  They have quality teams dedicated to ensuring quality supply.  Who is there besides the FDA to monitor generic manufacturers, who run on hair thin margins?  They have an incentive to let things slip a bit.  Pharma doesn't - margins are fat, and they can afford to make the necessary investments to keep up and exceed compliance with GMP, and would much rather make the investment than deal with any potential PR mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George - good points, but one thing to take note of is that the FDA isn&#8217;t this all seeing eye.  They occasionally do audit manufacturing sites, but not as frequently in foreign countries.  The pharma companies are their own watchdogs when they outsource, as they are liable for the full supply chain.  They have quality teams dedicated to ensuring quality supply.  Who is there besides the FDA to monitor generic manufacturers, who run on hair thin margins?  They have an incentive to let things slip a bit.  Pharma doesn&#8217;t - margins are fat, and they can afford to make the necessary investments to keep up and exceed compliance with GMP, and would much rather make the investment than deal with any potential PR mess.</p>
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		<title>By: pharma pr hack</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/generics-are-as-good-brand-name-meds-study/#comment-383632</link>
		<dc:creator>pharma pr hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne- that is a very selective statement- generic manufacturing is being outourced to other countries?! You would only have to go back two weeks in Ed's'archives to see pfizer/novartis, etc cutting manufacturing in US and outsourcing- don't forget AZ's goal to outsource 80 percent of manufacturing. The reality is all manufacturing is being outsourced to other countries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne- that is a very selective statement- generic manufacturing is being outourced to other countries?! You would only have to go back two weeks in Ed&#8217;s&#8217;archives to see pfizer/novartis, etc cutting manufacturing in US and outsourcing- don&#8217;t forget AZ&#8217;s goal to outsource 80 percent of manufacturing. The reality is all manufacturing is being outsourced to other countries</p>
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		<title>By: Salmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wizened,

It's not necessarily the pharmacist who don't understand the need to maintain on whatever generic you're on. They get their generics from their wholesaler who may be shipping whatever one they could get the best deal on that month.

Salmon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wizened,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not necessarily the pharmacist who don&#8217;t understand the need to maintain on whatever generic you&#8217;re on. They get their generics from their wholesaler who may be shipping whatever one they could get the best deal on that month.</p>
<p>Salmon</p>
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		<title>By: Compliance Analyst</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/12/generics-are-as-good-brand-name-meds-study/#comment-383621</link>
		<dc:creator>Compliance Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy American....(though it is more complicated than that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buy American&#8230;.(though it is more complicated than that).</p>
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		<title>By: Anne PME</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne PME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many states have automatic generic substitution without prescriber notification. This means that the prescriber often does not know that their patient has been substituted to a generic, or from one generic brand to another generic brand. If they don't know about the substitution, chances are they are not going to diagnose issues or will misdiagnose generic issues and ascribe patient complaints and/or symptoms to noncompliance, disease progression, or other complications. 

As many of us know, generic drug manufacturing is being outsourced to foreign countries, including countries that are documented to have much higher rates of product tampering, counterfeits and/or substandard medications.

Last but not least, it would be great if all conflicts were disclosed...for example, do any of the authors consult for brand name pharma, pharmacy chains, PBMs or health insurers or receive grants that may involve increasing prescription access?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many states have automatic generic substitution without prescriber notification. This means that the prescriber often does not know that their patient has been substituted to a generic, or from one generic brand to another generic brand. If they don&#8217;t know about the substitution, chances are they are not going to diagnose issues or will misdiagnose generic issues and ascribe patient complaints and/or symptoms to noncompliance, disease progression, or other complications. </p>
<p>As many of us know, generic drug manufacturing is being outsourced to foreign countries, including countries that are documented to have much higher rates of product tampering, counterfeits and/or substandard medications.</p>
<p>Last but not least, it would be great if all conflicts were disclosed&#8230;for example, do any of the authors consult for brand name pharma, pharmacy chains, PBMs or health insurers or receive grants that may involve increasing prescription access?</p>
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		<title>By: wizened</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Atlex.  

I agree to some extent on the NTI issue.  if I were on coumadin or an anti-epileptic I would want to stay on the brand name.  When I was at Boots, we tried to sell the NTI story as part of a marketing strategy to keep patients from switching to lower cost T4 preparations (in addition to suppressing for seven years the results of a BE study showing equivalence of these products).  With major financial support to the societies, we enlisted the American Thyroid Association and the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists to toe this party line of non-switchability.  We said that the cost of generic switching would increase health care costa.  The reality was that the cost of switching (MD visits plus lab tests) was less than one year's cost of Synthroid, and remember this is a lifetime drug.  My only suggestion is that if you switch to a generic NTI drug, you should stay with that generic, since generic-to-generic NTI switching can cause repeated need for retitration.  Unfortunately some pharmacists don't understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Atlex.  </p>
<p>I agree to some extent on the NTI issue.  if I were on coumadin or an anti-epileptic I would want to stay on the brand name.  When I was at Boots, we tried to sell the NTI story as part of a marketing strategy to keep patients from switching to lower cost T4 preparations (in addition to suppressing for seven years the results of a BE study showing equivalence of these products).  With major financial support to the societies, we enlisted the American Thyroid Association and the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists to toe this party line of non-switchability.  We said that the cost of generic switching would increase health care costa.  The reality was that the cost of switching (MD visits plus lab tests) was less than one year&#8217;s cost of Synthroid, and remember this is a lifetime drug.  My only suggestion is that if you switch to a generic NTI drug, you should stay with that generic, since generic-to-generic NTI switching can cause repeated need for retitration.  Unfortunately some pharmacists don&#8217;t understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: atlex</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's face it, for the vast majority of drugs, generic substitution of with an AB rated equivalent is not big deal.  As someone who works in big pharma, I understand that more than 90% of scripts for a brand product go away within a month or 2 of the loss of exclusivity.  In general, I wouldn't hesitate to make the switch myself. 

However, there are a very few instances when I would hesitate--primarily in drug classes with very narrow therapeutic indexes (anti-epileptics, anticoagulants, etc.). The issue is not that the generics in these classes are bad; in both of the instances I mention, a patient can be titrated to the proper dose of a particularly generic manufacturer's product.  Unfortunately, it's the potential of being switch from one generic to another at the whim of a purchasing agent for a drug store chain that causes concern.  That inconsistency would cause me concern in those few drug classes.  Personally, I would opt to stay with the brand in these few cases.

Atlex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it, for the vast majority of drugs, generic substitution of with an AB rated equivalent is not big deal.  As someone who works in big pharma, I understand that more than 90% of scripts for a brand product go away within a month or 2 of the loss of exclusivity.  In general, I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to make the switch myself. </p>
<p>However, there are a very few instances when I would hesitate&#8211;primarily in drug classes with very narrow therapeutic indexes (anti-epileptics, anticoagulants, etc.). The issue is not that the generics in these classes are bad; in both of the instances I mention, a patient can be titrated to the proper dose of a particularly generic manufacturer&#8217;s product.  Unfortunately, it&#8217;s the potential of being switch from one generic to another at the whim of a purchasing agent for a drug store chain that causes concern.  That inconsistency would cause me concern in those few drug classes.  Personally, I would opt to stay with the brand in these few cases.</p>
<p>Atlex</p>
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		<title>By: pharma PR Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharma PR Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a Thought 

you are partially right.. but you are missing a key component when a drug goes off patent there is a public standard that the US pharmacopeia makes that the FDA enforces for both branded and generic so the molecule is truly bioequivalent. 

The larger swing isn't just based on the looser criteria- the larger swing is in the brand.. when a generic reverse engineers a drug they buy several lots and their formulation is geared within the swing variance of the brand.. 

The only way any of this will change is for the FDA to require complete characterization of a molecule (small or large) and to make drug companies invest in manufacturing so they aren't using 20 year old technology that is actually let them manufacture in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and all these areas where regulation is even farther behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a Thought </p>
<p>you are partially right.. but you are missing a key component when a drug goes off patent there is a public standard that the US pharmacopeia makes that the FDA enforces for both branded and generic so the molecule is truly bioequivalent. </p>
<p>The larger swing isn&#8217;t just based on the looser criteria- the larger swing is in the brand.. when a generic reverse engineers a drug they buy several lots and their formulation is geared within the swing variance of the brand.. </p>
<p>The only way any of this will change is for the FDA to require complete characterization of a molecule (small or large) and to make drug companies invest in manufacturing so they aren&#8217;t using 20 year old technology that is actually let them manufacture in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and all these areas where regulation is even farther behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Just A Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just A Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FDA criteria for a generic drug is not generally as tight as with a branded drug manufacturer's own in house protocol. ANDAs are approved on very few comparisons and often with one dose human studies to establish those few numbers. 
Depending on the type of medication that may or may not be an issue. 
Then I learned that the FDA criteria for gaining approval for reformulated branded drugs is the same as for an ANDA for a generic drug (I'd have to locate the CDER comment on that again). A branded drug only has to meet the FDAs looser bioequivalency to itself.

It makes no sense to toss the complete testing that gained the approval under a new drug application- but it is what it is. Branded drugs can strive to be of equal quality to a generic. No one seems to be able to explain what that means for comparisons to the reference product when the reference product is changed.
This study is probably more accurate than you want to believe. Not because generic drugs are just as good- but because branded drugs are allowed to be equally loose upon reformulation.

The problem that arrises is with a larger swing between lot numbers based on the looser FDA criteria- in either instance. Some drugs require more precise dosing to be safe and effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FDA criteria for a generic drug is not generally as tight as with a branded drug manufacturer&#8217;s own in house protocol. ANDAs are approved on very few comparisons and often with one dose human studies to establish those few numbers.<br />
Depending on the type of medication that may or may not be an issue.<br />
Then I learned that the FDA criteria for gaining approval for reformulated branded drugs is the same as for an ANDA for a generic drug (I&#8217;d have to locate the CDER comment on that again). A branded drug only has to meet the FDAs looser bioequivalency to itself.</p>
<p>It makes no sense to toss the complete testing that gained the approval under a new drug application- but it is what it is. Branded drugs can strive to be of equal quality to a generic. No one seems to be able to explain what that means for comparisons to the reference product when the reference product is changed.<br />
This study is probably more accurate than you want to believe. Not because generic drugs are just as good- but because branded drugs are allowed to be equally loose upon reformulation.</p>
<p>The problem that arrises is with a larger swing between lot numbers based on the looser FDA criteria- in either instance. Some drugs require more precise dosing to be safe and effective.</p>
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