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		<title>By: atlex</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-438496</link>
		<dc:creator>atlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JiM,

Yes, all true. But, the Boston US Attorney did almost all the work. That office has specialized in pharma off-label cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JiM,</p>
<p>Yes, all true. But, the Boston US Attorney did almost all the work. That office has specialized in pharma off-label cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-438157</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s.  This from the DOJ summary that Ed posted on the other thread about Pfizer's "compliance committee."  It summarizes which offices were involved.  One of the reasons for the big press conference was so HHS could note its own role.

"The U.S. Attorney’s offices for the District of Massachusetts, the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and the Eastern District of Kentucky, and the Civil Division of the Department of Justice handled these cases. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts led the criminal investigation of Bextra. The investigation was conducted by the Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the FBI, the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS), the Office of Criminal Investigations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Veterans’ Administration’s (VA) Office of Criminal Investigations, the Office of the Inspector General for the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the Office of the Inspector General for the United States Postal Service (USPS), the National Association of Medicaid Fraud Control Units and the offices of various state Attorneys General.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.  This from the DOJ summary that Ed posted on the other thread about Pfizer&#8217;s &#8220;compliance committee.&#8221;  It summarizes which offices were involved.  One of the reasons for the big press conference was so HHS could note its own role.</p>
<p>&#8220;The U.S. Attorney’s offices for the District of Massachusetts, the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and the Eastern District of Kentucky, and the Civil Division of the Department of Justice handled these cases. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts led the criminal investigation of Bextra. The investigation was conducted by the Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the FBI, the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS), the Office of Criminal Investigations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Veterans’ Administration’s (VA) Office of Criminal Investigations, the Office of the Inspector General for the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the Office of the Inspector General for the United States Postal Service (USPS), the National Association of Medicaid Fraud Control Units and the offices of various state Attorneys General.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-438156</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlex--The FDA's Office of Criminal Investigation was involved, which is their link with the DOJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlex&#8211;The FDA&#8217;s Office of Criminal Investigation was involved, which is their link with the DOJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynesday</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-438130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaynesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the P/lot article -A Mere $2.3 Billion Later- where Pfizer’s Jeffs states - 

“Our creation of the Executive Compliance Committee will serve as an important addition to our compliance infrastructure, and ensure the dedicated involvement of our senior-most leaders in our continuing efforts to fully integrate compliance and integrity into all that we do at Pfizer,” Jeffs intones in the statement.  

Remember this statement because if per chance there is another indiscretion at Pfizer, the fact that the senior-most level is now/finally dedicated to and “involved” in compliance and integrity they should also be involved in the punishment when we see non-compliance and ethical failures in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the P/lot article -A Mere $2.3 Billion Later- where Pfizer’s Jeffs states - </p>
<p>“Our creation of the Executive Compliance Committee will serve as an important addition to our compliance infrastructure, and ensure the dedicated involvement of our senior-most leaders in our continuing efforts to fully integrate compliance and integrity into all that we do at Pfizer,” Jeffs intones in the statement.  </p>
<p>Remember this statement because if per chance there is another indiscretion at Pfizer, the fact that the senior-most level is now/finally dedicated to and “involved” in compliance and integrity they should also be involved in the punishment when we see non-compliance and ethical failures in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: atlex</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-437962</link>
		<dc:creator>atlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, the problem with your point is email. Emails are sent from one person to another and usually have others copied. If a senior manager had knowledge of an activity at a lower level, in this day and age, that would likely come from emails. It would do a senior manager little good to get rid of emails, when electronic copies remain in a variety of internal databases.

By the way, JiM, I don't think that FDA investigators were part of this investigation. It was the US Attorney's office out of Boston. That office handles most all pharma investigations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the problem with your point is email. Emails are sent from one person to another and usually have others copied. If a senior manager had knowledge of an activity at a lower level, in this day and age, that would likely come from emails. It would do a senior manager little good to get rid of emails, when electronic copies remain in a variety of internal databases.</p>
<p>By the way, JiM, I don&#8217;t think that FDA investigators were part of this investigation. It was the US Attorney&#8217;s office out of Boston. That office handles most all pharma investigations.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-437953</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree, Chris.  What I meant about conserving "plausible deniability."

Atlex's earlier post may also be relevant.  If the DOJ even hinted they might move toward the gov. not doing business with Pfizer, it could suggest they had more "on them" than a few rogue middle managers.  Likewise, the enormous size of the criminal and civil penalties.  In a more limited case, they more typically would have focused on those specific people--without penalizing the entire company to that extent.

Again, I'm not suggesting I know.  I'm suggesting there are many plausible scenarios.  All this also happened at a time when this sort of promotion had become pretty common, and companies assumed competitors where doing it, whether they were busted or not (as has come out in court documents related to other cases).  That, in turn, coincided with the downsizing of FDA investigation/enforcement  during the Bush admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree, Chris.  What I meant about conserving &#8220;plausible deniability.&#8221;</p>
<p>Atlex&#8217;s earlier post may also be relevant.  If the DOJ even hinted they might move toward the gov. not doing business with Pfizer, it could suggest they had more &#8220;on them&#8221; than a few rogue middle managers.  Likewise, the enormous size of the criminal and civil penalties.  In a more limited case, they more typically would have focused on those specific people&#8211;without penalizing the entire company to that extent.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not suggesting I know.  I&#8217;m suggesting there are many plausible scenarios.  All this also happened at a time when this sort of promotion had become pretty common, and companies assumed competitors where doing it, whether they were busted or not (as has come out in court documents related to other cases).  That, in turn, coincided with the downsizing of FDA investigation/enforcement  during the Bush admin.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senior executives are typically smart enough to know what is damaging to have in their files and take steps to avoid this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senior executives are typically smart enough to know what is damaging to have in their files and take steps to avoid this.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-437883</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you're saying, Atlex.  But a range of considerations go into who ends up being indicted, including DOJ's own resources, time, quality of evidence, and other considerations.  

I do not mean that higher level people were, therfore, involved.  But I also do not take it to mean they were not.  There are just too many variables besides how "pissed-off" the DOJ might be.

There are also instances when CEOs have been fined, even served time, when they did not have knowledge.  Buck stops, etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, Atlex.  But a range of considerations go into who ends up being indicted, including DOJ&#8217;s own resources, time, quality of evidence, and other considerations.  </p>
<p>I do not mean that higher level people were, therfore, involved.  But I also do not take it to mean they were not.  There are just too many variables besides how &#8220;pissed-off&#8221; the DOJ might be.</p>
<p>There are also instances when CEOs have been fined, even served time, when they did not have knowledge.  Buck stops, etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Atlex</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-437859</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JiM, based on published reports, one district manager (the lowest layer of management) and one regional manager (the next layer up) were convicted. As in every case, the justice department had access to all internal documents and could not find linkages to more senior managers. It is important to remember that these are all large companies and many, if not most tactical decisions are made at lower levels. Despite training programs (many hours per year for all employers at my company), threats and the like, bad behavior does happen in big pharma, just like it happens in society as a whole. It doesn't excuse the bad behavior, but it is important to note, that a very pissed off justice department that would have loved to make an example of a CEO of a major pharma company couldn't find anyone indictable above a sales middle manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JiM, based on published reports, one district manager (the lowest layer of management) and one regional manager (the next layer up) were convicted. As in every case, the justice department had access to all internal documents and could not find linkages to more senior managers. It is important to remember that these are all large companies and many, if not most tactical decisions are made at lower levels. Despite training programs (many hours per year for all employers at my company), threats and the like, bad behavior does happen in big pharma, just like it happens in society as a whole. It doesn&#8217;t excuse the bad behavior, but it is important to note, that a very pissed off justice department that would have loved to make an example of a CEO of a major pharma company couldn&#8217;t find anyone indictable above a sales middle manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/10/what-health-care-reform-drug-are-prices-rising/#comment-437539</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlex--Fine with me to "leave it at that."

Re: who was indicted, my understanding accords with yours that DOJ worked hard to identify those individuals most responsible.  As many have described, most corporations have folks in the role of "Vice President in Charge of Going to Jail" in order to provide plausible deniability to those higher up the chain.

Whether that was the true in this latest Pfizer case I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlex&#8211;Fine with me to &#8220;leave it at that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Re: who was indicted, my understanding accords with yours that DOJ worked hard to identify those individuals most responsible.  As many have described, most corporations have folks in the role of &#8220;Vice President in Charge of Going to Jail&#8221; in order to provide plausible deniability to those higher up the chain.</p>
<p>Whether that was the true in this latest Pfizer case I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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