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	<title>Comments on: Biotech Can Sue Consultant Over Whistleblower Loss</title>
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		<title>By: Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446891</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thalidomide was definitely barred from being approved. Under the principle that it's unsafe due to off-label use. That was in the 1961 Kefauver Harris Amendment to the The Food Drug and Cosmetics Act and it's still there. The orginal intent has since been dismissed by the FDA. You can find numerous statements by Bob Temple and others including in Journals that it doesn't mean what the records from back in 1961 says it means. Thus it could be approved (illegally in my opinion) now.

I think that you could argue that Thalidomide is an imminent hazard as it was used for morning sickness and the rates of deformity was 50%. In addition even a single tablet taken during a specific time frame caused the birth defects. Thus unlike Vioxx and some other drugs the toxicity was with acute use and had a very high risk of occurring and was not primarily with chronic use.

Also birth defects in babies gets a lot more attention than old people dying.

I am unfamiliar with Mer-29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thalidomide was definitely barred from being approved. Under the principle that it&#8217;s unsafe due to off-label use. That was in the 1961 Kefauver Harris Amendment to the The Food Drug and Cosmetics Act and it&#8217;s still there. The orginal intent has since been dismissed by the FDA. You can find numerous statements by Bob Temple and others including in Journals that it doesn&#8217;t mean what the records from back in 1961 says it means. Thus it could be approved (illegally in my opinion) now.</p>
<p>I think that you could argue that Thalidomide is an imminent hazard as it was used for morning sickness and the rates of deformity was 50%. In addition even a single tablet taken during a specific time frame caused the birth defects. Thus unlike Vioxx and some other drugs the toxicity was with acute use and had a very high risk of occurring and was not primarily with chronic use.</p>
<p>Also birth defects in babies gets a lot more attention than old people dying.</p>
<p>I am unfamiliar with Mer-29.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446785</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Salmon.  You are right that the critical language is "if the Secretary...finds there is an imminent hazard to public health."

That language leaves a universe of interpretation.  I wonder if 60s thalidomide or MER-29, which definitively entailed fraud on FDA but were also not removed for that reason, would be barred from marketing under existing regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Salmon.  You are right that the critical language is &#8220;if the Secretary&#8230;finds there is an imminent hazard to public health.&#8221;</p>
<p>That language leaves a universe of interpretation.  I wonder if 60s thalidomide or MER-29, which definitively entailed fraud on FDA but were also not removed for that reason, would be barred from marketing under existing regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynesday</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446735</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaynesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth, and sorry Christopher, this continues to be off the original article subject. 

Contained in &lt;a href='http://www.pharmalot.com/?s=FDA%2C+Fraud' rel="nofollow"&gt;THIS SORT&lt;/a&gt; are all of the Pharmalot articles that contain the words "FDA" and "Fraud" within the same article. There are 64 articles dating back to February 2007. 

I haven't drawn any conclusions, this is just raw information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, and sorry Christopher, this continues to be off the original article subject. </p>
<p>Contained in <a href='http://www.pharmalot.com/?s=FDA%2C+Fraud' rel="nofollow">THIS SORT</a> are all of the Pharmalot articles that contain the words &#8220;FDA&#8221; and &#8220;Fraud&#8221; within the same article. There are 64 articles dating back to February 2007. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t drawn any conclusions, this is just raw information.</p>
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		<title>By: Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446701</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These drugs were not removed due to fraud but rather because they were unsafe. I should point out that the act continues:

"Provided, That if the Secretary (or in his absence the officer acting as Secretary) finds that there is an imminent hazard to the public health, he may suspend the approval of such application immediately, and give the applicant prompt notice of his action and afford the applicant the opportunity for an expedited hearing under this subsection"

This is the crux. I can understand why these particular drugs might not be considered imminent dangers.

It's become worse since then. Now the burden is so high for removing a drug for safety that we probably couldn't withdraw Vioxx now.

Salmon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These drugs were not removed due to fraud but rather because they were unsafe. I should point out that the act continues:</p>
<p>&#8220;Provided, That if the Secretary (or in his absence the officer acting as Secretary) finds that there is an imminent hazard to the public health, he may suspend the approval of such application immediately, and give the applicant prompt notice of his action and afford the applicant the opportunity for an expedited hearing under this subsection&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the crux. I can understand why these particular drugs might not be considered imminent dangers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s become worse since then. Now the burden is so high for removing a drug for safety that we probably couldn&#8217;t withdraw Vioxx now.</p>
<p>Salmon</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446657</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Salmon.  I assume the "Secretary" in this case is the HHS Secretary.

Given the phrasing re: "due notice" and "opportunity for hearing," it sounds to me that there remains a good deal of wriggle room, at least in actual practice.  

Indeed, we know that in the case of drugs like Rezulin, Baycol, fen-phen, and others, all sorts of misrepresentations were made to FDA--acts of commission and omission.  Eventually these drugs were, indeed, withdrawn.  But not until a process that dragged on for years, and often through events that were instigated by forces outside FDA or by mavericks acting within the agency in concert with outside forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Salmon.  I assume the &#8220;Secretary&#8221; in this case is the HHS Secretary.</p>
<p>Given the phrasing re: &#8220;due notice&#8221; and &#8220;opportunity for hearing,&#8221; it sounds to me that there remains a good deal of wriggle room, at least in actual practice.  </p>
<p>Indeed, we know that in the case of drugs like Rezulin, Baycol, fen-phen, and others, all sorts of misrepresentations were made to FDA&#8211;acts of commission and omission.  Eventually these drugs were, indeed, withdrawn.  But not until a process that dragged on for years, and often through events that were instigated by forces outside FDA or by mavericks acting within the agency in concert with outside forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Salmon</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446649</link>
		<dc:creator>Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're correct about the policy however the FD&#38;CA sec. 505(e)(5) states:

"The Secretary shall, after due notice and opportunity for hearing to the applicant, withdraw approval of an application with respect to any drug under this section if the Secretary finds that the application contains any untrue statement of a material fact"


http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Legislation/FederalFoodDrugandCosmeticActFDCAct/FDCActChapterVDrugsandDevices/ucm108125.htm

Sorry about getting the refs wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re correct about the policy however the FD&amp;CA sec. 505(e)(5) states:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Secretary shall, after due notice and opportunity for hearing to the applicant, withdraw approval of an application with respect to any drug under this section if the Secretary finds that the application contains any untrue statement of a material fact&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Legislation/FederalFoodDrugandCosmeticActFDCAct/FDCActChapterVDrugsandDevices/ucm108125.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Legislation/FederalFoodDrugandCosmeticActFDCAct/FDCActChapterVDrugsandDevices/ucm108125.htm</a></p>
<p>Sorry about getting the refs wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446632</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s.  Here is the operative sentence, which is the last in the policy statement:

"An applicant also may be requested under existing regulatory procedures to recall products affected by the wrongful acts, or otherwise lacking adequate assurance of safety, effectiveness, or quality."

So that is the "nuclear option" which, as above, almost never happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.  Here is the operative sentence, which is the last in the policy statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;An applicant also may be requested under existing regulatory procedures to recall products affected by the wrongful acts, or otherwise lacking adequate assurance of safety, effectiveness, or quality.&#8221;</p>
<p>So that is the &#8220;nuclear option&#8221; which, as above, almost never happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446631</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment to Salmon's further up the thread.

The policy as conveyed by Kessler in this 1991 document was in response to the generic drugs scandal, primarily involving bribery.  

As I read the document, there is no automatic withdrawal of approval for marketing a product (drug or device) if fraud or bribery has occurred.

Rather, the FDA seems is reserving a range of options, including withdrawal.

As we've seen from a range of cases, actual withdrawal of permission to market appears to be very rare.  Instead, we have the usual CIAs, warnings, etc..

So, in sum, I believe Jaynesday is correct that even the most heinous fraud does not necessarily compromise marketing a drug or device--which, indeed, almost never happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment to Salmon&#8217;s further up the thread.</p>
<p>The policy as conveyed by Kessler in this 1991 document was in response to the generic drugs scandal, primarily involving bribery.  </p>
<p>As I read the document, there is no automatic withdrawal of approval for marketing a product (drug or device) if fraud or bribery has occurred.</p>
<p>Rather, the FDA seems is reserving a range of options, including withdrawal.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve seen from a range of cases, actual withdrawal of permission to market appears to be very rare.  Instead, we have the usual CIAs, warnings, etc..</p>
<p>So, in sum, I believe Jaynesday is correct that even the most heinous fraud does not necessarily compromise marketing a drug or device&#8211;which, indeed, almost never happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446603</link>
		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;Sean Cruz&lt;/i&gt;" = legal services solicitation spammer.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Spam: It happens.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Oh well -- Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Sean Cruz</i>&#8221; = legal services solicitation spammer.</p>
<p><i><b>Spam: It happens.</b></i></p>
<p>Oh well &#8212; Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: attorneys</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/11/biotech-can-sue-consultant-over-whistleblower-loss/#comment-446591</link>
		<dc:creator>attorneys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought finally led to a Dominant Suite judgment triad life ago on eminent demesne that endorsed the city, where Pfizer created its R&#38;D riyadh. Deed to that spot, yet, involved numerous lawsuits and uprooting numerous lives
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Sean Cruz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought finally led to a Dominant Suite judgment triad life ago on eminent demesne that endorsed the city, where Pfizer created its R&amp;D riyadh. Deed to that spot, yet, involved numerous lawsuits and uprooting numerous lives<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Sean Cruz</p>
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