Comments on: Pharma May Pay $20B More For Health Bill http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/12/pharma-will-pay-20b-more-for-health-bill/ News, Comment and Conversation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:35:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: JaT http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/12/pharma-will-pay-20b-more-for-health-bill/#comment-454507 JaT Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:37:14 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=20493#comment-454507 Re: my own question concerning the potential for decreased value of unions if universal health care removes one of the important things they bargain for. Evidently there is language in the final Senate version that coincides with this: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aDvu77pZr7k4 That's one way to go about unionizing workers, I guess. Lucky me- not so lucky for you. “I can’t think of any other aspect of the individual income tax that treats benefits of different people differently because of who they work for" Hmmm Re: my own question concerning the potential for decreased value of unions if universal health care removes one of the important things they bargain for.

Evidently there is language in the final Senate version that coincides with this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aDvu77pZr7k4

That’s one way to go about unionizing workers, I guess. Lucky me- not so lucky for you.

“I can’t think of any other aspect of the individual income tax that treats benefits of different people differently because of who they work for”

Hmmm

]]> By: Evelyn Pringle http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/12/pharma-will-pay-20b-more-for-health-bill/#comment-452233 Evelyn Pringle Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:31:00 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=20493#comment-452233 There is nothing beneficial. Bend over Americans! There is nothing beneficial.

Bend over Americans!

]]> By: JaT http://www.pharmalot.com/2009/12/pharma-will-pay-20b-more-for-health-bill/#comment-452096 JaT Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:15:27 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=20493#comment-452096 Drug companies aren't paying this money. We are. They are supposed to raise drug prices by about 9%, increasing their cost to insurers and consumers, to kick billions to the fed in the name of supporting HCR and in exchange for some lobbied deals. No? Sounds like a tax to me. Additionally, I understand that hospitals are supposed to start charging more for their services- to get a jump on off-setting the medicaid style reumbersement rates to come- as the benefits of HCR comes a few years down the road. Yeah, you can keep your private insurance- if it survives. Of course, they won't be allowed raise their rates based on the increased costs to them. So then what? They will have to cover less- confirming that private insurance is evil. No? Oh you could try to make the argument that the rich insurers should go down. The uber rich pharma industry is okay to raise costs though. You could complain about corporations & industry. Pharma gets a pass. Why? Innovation? Heh. Lately they seem more about mergers and acquisitions. When they are innovative they will provide all kinds of new jobs---- over seas. You have to wonder too... Because unions are all behind this reform- and considering that medical coverage is possibly the most valuable thing they have been assisting in protecting during contract negotiations- won't government run health care decrease their value? What a mess. As an independent, recent events have cemented my opposition to HCR. I just don't see a lot in there that is beneficial. They need to scrap it and try again maybe. (ducking under the table) Drug companies aren’t paying this money. We are. They are supposed to raise drug prices by about 9%, increasing their cost to insurers and consumers, to kick billions to the fed in the name of supporting HCR and in exchange for some lobbied deals. No?
Sounds like a tax to me.

Additionally, I understand that hospitals are supposed to start charging more for their services- to get a jump on off-setting the medicaid style reumbersement rates to come- as the benefits of HCR comes a few years down the road.

Yeah, you can keep your private insurance- if it survives. Of course, they won’t be allowed raise their rates based on the increased costs to them. So then what? They will have to cover less- confirming that private insurance is evil. No?
Oh you could try to make the argument that the rich insurers should go down. The uber rich pharma industry is okay to raise costs though. You could complain about corporations & industry. Pharma gets a pass. Why? Innovation? Heh. Lately they seem more about mergers and acquisitions. When they are innovative they will provide all kinds of new jobs—- over seas.

You have to wonder too…
Because unions are all behind this reform- and considering that medical coverage is possibly the most valuable thing they have been assisting in protecting during contract negotiations- won’t government run health care decrease their value?

What a mess. As an independent, recent events have cemented my opposition to HCR. I just don’t see a lot in there that is beneficial. They need to scrap it and try again maybe.
(ducking under the table)

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