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	<title>Comments on: Informed Consent Bill On Psychotropics Back In NJ</title>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-462605</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharmavet... the Scientology argument pharma wore out when the FDA put out the black box warnings. Time to get a new, fresh, nonsensical rebuttal, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmavet&#8230; the Scientology argument pharma wore out when the FDA put out the black box warnings. Time to get a new, fresh, nonsensical rebuttal, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: JaT</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-461925</link>
		<dc:creator>JaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to add that, while many epilepsy drugs are approved for bipolar disorders- these different drugs are not even appropriate for every kind of epilepsy. Very different designs even within one treatment area. But if you have a bipolar diagnosis any one of them is okay? How can that be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to add that, while many epilepsy drugs are approved for bipolar disorders- these different drugs are not even appropriate for every kind of epilepsy. Very different designs even within one treatment area. But if you have a bipolar diagnosis any one of them is okay? How can that be?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van Syckel</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-461916</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van Syckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John C, I have a question for you,.. did your daughter's bipolar diagnosis come before or after the initiation of an antidepressant, and please show me where in the DSMIV where it specifically states the criteria for diagnosing a bipolar disorder in someone as young as thirteen, and that the polypharmacy of multiple meds is safe and effective for your teen

Your decision to be ill informed, is yours, and yours alone. And its a shame, as you state you are a responsible parent, then why would you play russian roulette with you own child's life, let alone shave 25 yaers off her life expectency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John C, I have a question for you,.. did your daughter&#8217;s bipolar diagnosis come before or after the initiation of an antidepressant, and please show me where in the DSMIV where it specifically states the criteria for diagnosing a bipolar disorder in someone as young as thirteen, and that the polypharmacy of multiple meds is safe and effective for your teen</p>
<p>Your decision to be ill informed, is yours, and yours alone. And its a shame, as you state you are a responsible parent, then why would you play russian roulette with you own child&#8217;s life, let alone shave 25 yaers off her life expectency.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van Syckel</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-461914</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Van Syckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharmavet,.. The Scientology cry has been growing old for sometime now, and you use this as an excuse to,.. "Heck, If I cant defend the drug, lets attack the child, it didnt work in 2004, it wont work today".

If you choose not to be an informed parent, thats your choice, but, please dont intrude on the rights of other parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmavet,.. The Scientology cry has been growing old for sometime now, and you use this as an excuse to,.. &#8220;Heck, If I cant defend the drug, lets attack the child, it didnt work in 2004, it wont work today&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you choose not to be an informed parent, thats your choice, but, please dont intrude on the rights of other parents.</p>
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		<title>By: JaT</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-461910</link>
		<dc:creator>JaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pharmavet,

Because people disagree with you does not make them wrong. We are all here for different reasons. You don't have to be a scientologist, for instance, to know that prescribing epilepsy meds, antipsychotics, and anti-depressants, all for bipolar disorders, makes little or no sense. As an antidepressant would not necessarily treat epilepsy or psychosis. Still, this is exactly what is going on- which brings the whole topic to question. If we were not to question such things then we are putting our faith blindly into a system that is more than willing to take advantage. If you can show me how all of those compounds are similar enough to treat the same condition I might change my mind. I'm not a scientologist but I am painfully aware of the importance/ramifications of the Black Box for some uses and not for other uses- creating a bad situation for drug makers, doctors, &#38; consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pharmavet,</p>
<p>Because people disagree with you does not make them wrong. We are all here for different reasons. You don&#8217;t have to be a scientologist, for instance, to know that prescribing epilepsy meds, antipsychotics, and anti-depressants, all for bipolar disorders, makes little or no sense. As an antidepressant would not necessarily treat epilepsy or psychosis. Still, this is exactly what is going on- which brings the whole topic to question. If we were not to question such things then we are putting our faith blindly into a system that is more than willing to take advantage. If you can show me how all of those compounds are similar enough to treat the same condition I might change my mind. I&#8217;m not a scientologist but I am painfully aware of the importance/ramifications of the Black Box for some uses and not for other uses- creating a bad situation for drug makers, doctors, &amp; consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: pharmavet</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/01/informed-consent-bill-on-psychotropics-back-in-nj/#comment-461897</link>
		<dc:creator>pharmavet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supremacy and John:  stay on these boards long enough and you will soon discover the apologists for the Scientiology industry who are anti psychiatryic drugs. Wouldn't be surprised to find Travolta or Cruise trolling this site.  This is only partially a patient-centered argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supremacy and John:  stay on these boards long enough and you will soon discover the apologists for the Scientiology industry who are anti psychiatryic drugs. Wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find Travolta or Cruise trolling this site.  This is only partially a patient-centered argument.</p>
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		<title>By: john c</title>
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		<dc:creator>john c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am emphathtic to those that have lost love ones related to their use of pychotropic drugs. However, my 21 year old daughter with bipolar disorder(diagnosed at 13) would not be alive today without them. I am also very grateful to the pychiatrist who prescribed them for her. I do agree that physicians should provide more info about the risks of these drugs.However, it is also a parents responsibility to be the expert for their child and do their own research.With so many resources available today, what more can we ask for? In addition, most states require pharmacies to offer patient couseling for new prescriptions and refills. This is the second opportunity a parent has to ask their questions.Unfortunitly many do not. More legislation is not the answer, greater parential involvement would help a great deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am emphathtic to those that have lost love ones related to their use of pychotropic drugs. However, my 21 year old daughter with bipolar disorder(diagnosed at 13) would not be alive today without them. I am also very grateful to the pychiatrist who prescribed them for her. I do agree that physicians should provide more info about the risks of these drugs.However, it is also a parents responsibility to be the expert for their child and do their own research.With so many resources available today, what more can we ask for? In addition, most states require pharmacies to offer patient couseling for new prescriptions and refills. This is the second opportunity a parent has to ask their questions.Unfortunitly many do not. More legislation is not the answer, greater parential involvement would help a great deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this biased hate speech propaganda organ had died. 

The disgruntled mental patients here are completely irresponsible, as is the legislator interfering with the doctor patient relationship. Should such  a bill pass, the state should immediately be enjoined from enforcing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this biased hate speech propaganda organ had died. </p>
<p>The disgruntled mental patients here are completely irresponsible, as is the legislator interfering with the doctor patient relationship. Should such  a bill pass, the state should immediately be enjoined from enforcing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve M...you're preaching to the choir, when it comes to withdrawal. I have contact with  hundreds of thousands of ssri users on my site, dealing with the horrible ramifications of getting off these drugs. 
Withdrawal is rarely recognized for what it is, and sadly few medical professionals know what it takes to get someone off these drugs successfully. 
Luckily, the past users of these drugs have taken the time to figure out how to do it safely ...not without symptoms, but much better than any weaning schedule a doctor will give you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve M&#8230;you&#8217;re preaching to the choir, when it comes to withdrawal. I have contact with  hundreds of thousands of ssri users on my site, dealing with the horrible ramifications of getting off these drugs.<br />
Withdrawal is rarely recognized for what it is, and sadly few medical professionals know what it takes to get someone off these drugs successfully.<br />
Luckily, the past users of these drugs have taken the time to figure out how to do it safely &#8230;not without symptoms, but much better than any weaning schedule a doctor will give you.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Laurie "Not enough time is not an excuse when the risks involved can be deadly."

Right.  And how about when the psychotropic drug just destroys the patient rather than killing him you?  Here's a WebMD self-report of the rancid Lilly drug Cymbalta:

"I have watched this drug completely destroy my husband. He was initially put on it for depression, anxiety and chronic back pain. It made him lathargic, and the pain increased and spread toother parts of his body. Now that we are trying to wan him off, the withdrawals are horrible! The suffering this man has had to endure is inhumane at the least. I don't believe the doctors were properly educated on this terrible drug so in turn patients aren't able to make a clear educated decision as to take this medication to begin with. I have placed a complaint with th FDA as well as with Eli Lilly. I have also placed a complaint with his doctor. I am so angry and to know that the weaning process will takes months is just unacceptable to me. Get online and type in Cymbalta withdrawal and Cymbalta side efffects and see the other hundreds of people who are suffering with little to no help from the medical field. Also, you will see the desperate attempts of some who are trying to get off this drug. There WILL be a death as a result of some of these tactics and I forsee a class action law suit in he future for Eli Lilly and any of the medical professionals who refuse to hear the cries of so many desperate people."

There are THOUSANDS of Cymbalta self-reports floating around the web.

Should that poor guy have been counseled, warned, whatever by his physician?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Laurie &#8220;Not enough time is not an excuse when the risks involved can be deadly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right.  And how about when the psychotropic drug just destroys the patient rather than killing him you?  Here&#8217;s a WebMD self-report of the rancid Lilly drug Cymbalta:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have watched this drug completely destroy my husband. He was initially put on it for depression, anxiety and chronic back pain. It made him lathargic, and the pain increased and spread toother parts of his body. Now that we are trying to wan him off, the withdrawals are horrible! The suffering this man has had to endure is inhumane at the least. I don&#8217;t believe the doctors were properly educated on this terrible drug so in turn patients aren&#8217;t able to make a clear educated decision as to take this medication to begin with. I have placed a complaint with th FDA as well as with Eli Lilly. I have also placed a complaint with his doctor. I am so angry and to know that the weaning process will takes months is just unacceptable to me. Get online and type in Cymbalta withdrawal and Cymbalta side efffects and see the other hundreds of people who are suffering with little to no help from the medical field. Also, you will see the desperate attempts of some who are trying to get off this drug. There WILL be a death as a result of some of these tactics and I forsee a class action law suit in he future for Eli Lilly and any of the medical professionals who refuse to hear the cries of so many desperate people.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are THOUSANDS of Cymbalta self-reports floating around the web.</p>
<p>Should that poor guy have been counseled, warned, whatever by his physician?</p>
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