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	<title>Comments on: Grassley Probes WebMd Ties To Eli Lilly</title>
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		<title>By: josephajain</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-502544</link>
		<dc:creator>josephajain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 11:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it was enough for understanding...I liked the way u described it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it was enough for understanding&#8230;I liked the way u described it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-474356</link>
		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went through the survey.... Clicked off that I was a woman receiving chemotherapy and trying to get pregnant. Wouldn't you think this is a problem which should be called out???????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went through the survey&#8230;. Clicked off that I was a woman receiving chemotherapy and trying to get pregnant. Wouldn&#8217;t you think this is a problem which should be called out???????????</p>
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		<title>By: masonwatcher</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-468002</link>
		<dc:creator>masonwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very informative Ed. I would like to see what happens to this and how WebMD will respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very informative Ed. I would like to see what happens to this and how WebMD will respond.</p>
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		<title>By: belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its about time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its about time.</p>
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		<title>By: elmore</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-467610</link>
		<dc:creator>elmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked the DSM IV criteria for major depression, then took the test, intentionally checking off a couple but not all the criteria required for a diagnosis. The test told me I was suffering from minor depression, to talk to my doctor, and that medical treatment was available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the DSM IV criteria for major depression, then took the test, intentionally checking off a couple but not all the criteria required for a diagnosis. The test told me I was suffering from minor depression, to talk to my doctor, and that medical treatment was available.</p>
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		<title>By: Pharma Conduct Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-467578</link>
		<dc:creator>Pharma Conduct Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This particular issue illustrates why, despite all the promise of personalized medicine whereby treatments for an individual are selected based on that person's phenotype/genotype, it's still not a reality.  From a technology perspective point of care testing incorporating profiling using genomics, transcriptomics, proteomics, and metabolics is within arms reach.

However, some in pharma do not want prescribing decisions to be based upon clear-cut, objectively measurable criteria.  One reason pharma's give so much money to psychiatrists is because theirs is a profession where the vast majority of diagnoses are based entirely on criteria that cannot be assessed with a biological measurement.  With other conditions, such as cancer, diabetes, or infection, objectively measurable outcomes are possible.  "Diseases" based on pathologies that cannot be measured objectively allow one to create a larger patient pool through continually evolving or subjective "diagnostic" criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This particular issue illustrates why, despite all the promise of personalized medicine whereby treatments for an individual are selected based on that person&#8217;s phenotype/genotype, it&#8217;s still not a reality.  From a technology perspective point of care testing incorporating profiling using genomics, transcriptomics, proteomics, and metabolics is within arms reach.</p>
<p>However, some in pharma do not want prescribing decisions to be based upon clear-cut, objectively measurable criteria.  One reason pharma&#8217;s give so much money to psychiatrists is because theirs is a profession where the vast majority of diagnoses are based entirely on criteria that cannot be assessed with a biological measurement.  With other conditions, such as cancer, diabetes, or infection, objectively measurable outcomes are possible.  &#8220;Diseases&#8221; based on pathologies that cannot be measured objectively allow one to create a larger patient pool through continually evolving or subjective &#8220;diagnostic&#8221; criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: johnsmoway</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-467562</link>
		<dc:creator>johnsmoway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just saw tv ad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just saw tv ad</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/02/grassley-probes-webmd-ties-to-eli-lilly/#comment-467547</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrons, rather than a DTC site I believe that WebMD is in the health business - which itself is massive - and that pharma companies as well as others in 'health' see it as a way to reach consumers, influencers, etc. Pharma companies use it to communicate with interested parties on topics that interest them, ot with which they are involved. It all helps build relationships. Some will use it for direct or indirect DTC promotion of their products, others as a soft contact in an overall wellness program.

Bernard pointed out the relationship with Medscape.

Re CME I will go back to a comment on here a year or so ago. If pharma doesn't sponsor it, who will? At least to the extent it is provided and required. Certaily pharma has interest in being involved, and of course in the past it had a heavy hand in controlling the topics covered. Nowadays I don't think so. It is extremely difficult for their agencies to control the message. There are significant controls in place within pharma to prevent marketing's involvement. Perhaps this is why companies are getting out of CME delivered through for-profit providers.

Is ghostwritten CME bad? No. Can it be - of course but the immediate assumption that ghostwriting = wrong is flawed in my opinion. That's a topic been hammered enough on here already I think though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrons, rather than a DTC site I believe that WebMD is in the health business - which itself is massive - and that pharma companies as well as others in &#8216;health&#8217; see it as a way to reach consumers, influencers, etc. Pharma companies use it to communicate with interested parties on topics that interest them, ot with which they are involved. It all helps build relationships. Some will use it for direct or indirect DTC promotion of their products, others as a soft contact in an overall wellness program.</p>
<p>Bernard pointed out the relationship with Medscape.</p>
<p>Re CME I will go back to a comment on here a year or so ago. If pharma doesn&#8217;t sponsor it, who will? At least to the extent it is provided and required. Certaily pharma has interest in being involved, and of course in the past it had a heavy hand in controlling the topics covered. Nowadays I don&#8217;t think so. It is extremely difficult for their agencies to control the message. There are significant controls in place within pharma to prevent marketing&#8217;s involvement. Perhaps this is why companies are getting out of CME delivered through for-profit providers.</p>
<p>Is ghostwritten CME bad? No. Can it be - of course but the immediate assumption that ghostwriting = wrong is flawed in my opinion. That&#8217;s a topic been hammered enough on here already I think though.</p>
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		<title>By: patrons99</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrons99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K., Christopher. I see the point that you are making. I think that you are saying that WebMD is a DTC marketing platform, whereas its subsidiaries, e.g. MedscapeCME, are the sites for "CME" targeted at physicians.

I'm reminded of some "CME" I read, which centered on an article titled "Implementing Changing Guidelines on Adult Immunizations: An Expert Interview With Gregory A. Poland, MD, MACP", which was blatantly and shamelessly supported by no less than GSK, Merck, and Novartis. Of course, their "expert" had seemingly never heard of a vaccine that he was not completely enamoured with. Do I believe that both the CME and Guidelines on Adult Immunizations are effectively ghostwritten by pharma? What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., Christopher. I see the point that you are making. I think that you are saying that WebMD is a DTC marketing platform, whereas its subsidiaries, e.g. MedscapeCME, are the sites for &#8220;CME&#8221; targeted at physicians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of some &#8220;CME&#8221; I read, which centered on an article titled &#8220;Implementing Changing Guidelines on Adult Immunizations: An Expert Interview With Gregory A. Poland, MD, MACP&#8221;, which was blatantly and shamelessly supported by no less than GSK, Merck, and Novartis. Of course, their &#8220;expert&#8221; had seemingly never heard of a vaccine that he was not completely enamoured with. Do I believe that both the CME and Guidelines on Adult Immunizations are effectively ghostwritten by pharma? What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bernard. I wasn't referring to Medscape but to WebMD. The links you provided say pretty much what has been said before - industry tainting CME and so on, and so I'll take that with a pinch of salt. It's old news though - it's harder than ever to exert influence on CME providers now, or so my friends tell me.

Patrons - I would say that "health-related info for the public" is aimed at the public. There is much to be gained for sponsors in having a reach into the public domain. The reason these sites ask for log in is to have more pre-selection from the signer-in, so that if one selects info on ADHD and high cholsterol for example, they can direct related info to that individual. And yes, that pleases the sponsors because they can connect directly or indirectly, depending on the choice of the registered member, on a topic of stated interest.

If you are implying that WebMD may be trying to reach medical professionals, well perhaps but I doubt it. The level of info presented there would be too basic I think. Physicians do use the web for info though, and as new - younger - docs and practitioners come along more will rely on the web for access and info. Already about 80% of docs use Google for 'education', 85% use it for medical searches and info, and 60% for new product information, so the practice is well established and will only increase. I don't think that WebMD is where they would go first though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bernard. I wasn&#8217;t referring to Medscape but to WebMD. The links you provided say pretty much what has been said before - industry tainting CME and so on, and so I&#8217;ll take that with a pinch of salt. It&#8217;s old news though - it&#8217;s harder than ever to exert influence on CME providers now, or so my friends tell me.</p>
<p>Patrons - I would say that &#8220;health-related info for the public&#8221; is aimed at the public. There is much to be gained for sponsors in having a reach into the public domain. The reason these sites ask for log in is to have more pre-selection from the signer-in, so that if one selects info on ADHD and high cholsterol for example, they can direct related info to that individual. And yes, that pleases the sponsors because they can connect directly or indirectly, depending on the choice of the registered member, on a topic of stated interest.</p>
<p>If you are implying that WebMD may be trying to reach medical professionals, well perhaps but I doubt it. The level of info presented there would be too basic I think. Physicians do use the web for info though, and as new - younger - docs and practitioners come along more will rely on the web for access and info. Already about 80% of docs use Google for &#8216;education&#8217;, 85% use it for medical searches and info, and 60% for new product information, so the practice is well established and will only increase. I don&#8217;t think that WebMD is where they would go first though.</p>
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