Comments on: ‘Little Women’ Talk To The FDA About Gardasil http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/ News, Comment and Conversation Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:31:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jim http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-640268 Jim Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:15:13 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-640268 I can't believe all the lunatics on this site railing against vaccines. The mortality rate for smallpox was around 30% and killed up to half a billion in the 20th century. In some cultures, parents didn't name their children until after they had survived smallpox. The reason? They didn't want to become too emotionally attached to them until they had beaten smallpox. Polio, whooping cough, tetanus, diphtheria and meningitis are just lovely illnesses too, and cervical cancer is a real day at the beach! Fortunately, the miracle of the vaccine eradicated smallpox and is in the process of eradicating other. Unfortunately, all too many people apparently know exceedingly little about recent history. I can’t believe all the lunatics on this site railing against vaccines. The mortality rate for smallpox was around 30% and killed up to half a billion in the 20th century. In some cultures, parents didn’t name their children until after they had survived smallpox. The reason? They didn’t want to become too emotionally attached to them until they had beaten smallpox. Polio, whooping cough, tetanus, diphtheria and meningitis are just lovely illnesses too, and cervical cancer is a real day at the beach! Fortunately, the miracle of the vaccine eradicated smallpox and is in the process of eradicating other. Unfortunately, all too many people apparently know exceedingly little about recent history.

]]> By: john http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-506260 john Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:38:29 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-506260 I took a look at the website and the slide deck, and though I did not agree with all the conclusions, was very impressed with how well this group made their point. In particular I was struck by the slides pointing out that the vaccine is being administered without screening to determine whether the patient has already been exposed to the virus, this seems very hard to justify. Especially given that this is a comparatively rare cancer. Patrons, I took a look at the articles you cited and cannot agree that these make a compelling case against aluminium adjuvants. The first paper describes studies in which Al was injected directly adjacent to the spinal cord in rats. The behavioral effects were judged by non-blinded referees. I was not able to access the second paper. The third paper, “Long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide is associated with chronic cognitive dysfunction” is a study of a syndrome that comprises <200 patients worldwide. It does not show an association in the general population as implied by the title of the article. Would be very interesting to see the effect of a chelating agent in this population though. BTW, the Al in a single vaccine dose (0.1 to 0.8 mg) is on the order of daily absorption from dietary sources (0.1 mg/day). Assuming 100% dissolution, the Al in a single vaccine shot would provide a serum level of less than 1 ppm, which is orders of magnitude too low to affect viscosity. I took a look at the website and the slide deck, and though I did not agree with all the conclusions, was very impressed with how well this group made their point. In particular I was struck by the slides pointing out that the vaccine is being administered without screening to determine whether the patient has already been exposed to the virus, this seems very hard to justify. Especially given that this is a comparatively rare cancer.

Patrons, I took a look at the articles you cited and cannot agree that these make a compelling case against aluminium adjuvants.

The first paper describes studies in which Al was injected directly adjacent to the spinal cord in rats. The behavioral effects were judged by non-blinded referees. I was not able to access the second paper.

The third paper, “Long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide is associated with chronic cognitive dysfunction” is a study of a syndrome that comprises <200 patients worldwide. It does not show an association in the general population as implied by the title of the article. Would be very interesting to see the effect of a chelating agent in this population though.

BTW, the Al in a single vaccine dose (0.1 to 0.8 mg) is on the order of daily absorption from dietary sources (0.1 mg/day). Assuming 100% dissolution, the Al in a single vaccine shot would provide a serum level of less than 1 ppm, which is orders of magnitude too low to affect viscosity.

]]> By: Rosemary Mathis http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-506187 Rosemary Mathis Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:40:55 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-506187 I am so sorry Joyce. Email us at truthaboutgardasil@charter.net and we will be glad to try to help. Also ask her to go to WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG and view the If your daughter is injured page. I am so sorry Joyce. Email us at truthaboutgardasil@charter.net and we will be glad to try to help.

Also ask her to go to http://WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG and view the If your daughter is injured page.

]]> By: Joyce Guthrie http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-497847 Joyce Guthrie Tue, 04 May 2010 23:07:28 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-497847 I am assisting a co-worker/friend of mine in trying to find information on how to "counter-act" the effects of gardisil. Immediately after her daughter received her shot of gardisil she began having seizures and quite a few of the other "severe" side effects. Has anyone been able to find information on how to counter-act the side effects? She's desperate. Her family's lives have been turned upside down by this and her daughter has had to drop out of every sporting event she had always participated in. She's suffering at least 3-5 seizures per day. Her Dr. sent her to a psychiatrist for counseling and she's got an appointment at the Mayo Clinic next month. Thank you!!! I am assisting a co-worker/friend of mine in trying to find information on how to “counter-act” the effects of gardisil. Immediately after her daughter received her shot of gardisil she began having seizures and quite a few of the other “severe” side effects. Has anyone been able to find information on how to counter-act the side effects? She’s desperate. Her family’s lives have been turned upside down by this and her daughter has had to drop out of every sporting event she had always participated in. She’s suffering at least 3-5 seizures per day. Her Dr. sent her to a psychiatrist for counseling and she’s got an appointment at the Mayo Clinic next month.

Thank you!!!

]]> By: patrons99 http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-482928 patrons99 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:50:09 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-482928 Vet - "bilious chortle from the junk scientists". Oh really!!! I don't think so. After reading the following three articles, do we have any volunteers from the VAXERS willing to be "jabbed" with Gardasil or Cervarix, both of which contain aluminum adjuvants? Bottom line: a neurotoxin is a neurotoxin, and no amount of "bilious chortle" from the VAXERS will ever change that reality. An article by Christopher A. Shaw and Michael S. Petrik titled, “Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration” in Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, Volume 103, Issue 11, November 2009, Pages 1555-1562. Doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2009.05.019 An article by Christopher A. Shaw and Gunter U. Hoglinger titled, “Neurodegenerative Diseases: Neurotoxins as Sufficient Etiologic Agents?” in NeuroMolecular Medicine, Volume 10, Number 1 / March, 2008. Doi: 10.1007/s12017-007-8016-8 An article by Maryline Couette, et al titled, “Long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide is associated with chronic cognitive dysfunction” in Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, Volume 103, Issue 11, November 2009, Pages 1571-1578. Doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.209.08.005 Vet - “bilious chortle from the junk scientists”. Oh really!!! I don’t think so. After reading the following three articles, do we have any volunteers from the VAXERS willing to be “jabbed” with Gardasil or Cervarix, both of which contain aluminum adjuvants?

Bottom line: a neurotoxin is a neurotoxin, and no amount of “bilious chortle” from the VAXERS will ever change that reality.

An article by Christopher A. Shaw and Michael S. Petrik titled, “Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration” in Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, Volume 103, Issue 11, November 2009, Pages 1555-1562.

Doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2009.05.019

An article by Christopher A. Shaw and Gunter U. Hoglinger titled, “Neurodegenerative Diseases: Neurotoxins as Sufficient Etiologic Agents?” in NeuroMolecular Medicine, Volume 10, Number 1 / March, 2008.

Doi: 10.1007/s12017-007-8016-8

An article by Maryline Couette, et al titled, “Long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide is associated with chronic cognitive dysfunction” in Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, Volume 103, Issue 11, November 2009, Pages 1571-1578.

Doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.209.08.005

]]> By: Lisa Van Syckel http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-481021 Lisa Van Syckel Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:42:13 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-481021 No No

]]> By: harpy http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-481017 harpy Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:32:17 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-481017 does anyone know if Gardasil is still being mandated for immigrants? does anyone know if Gardasil is still being mandated for immigrants?

]]> By: Justice in MI http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-480600 Justice in MI Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:13:47 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-480600 I have no definitive position about Gardasil beyond being against it being mandated. I do think Merck's marketing has raised serious questions from the beginning, as the Rothmans discussed in JAMA a couple of years ago. Some of my own students go to health services and return with an "info sheet" about the vaccine that is dated three months after Gardasil was approved. From that, and what I have heard, I do not believe either benefits or risks are appropriately conveyed to them. I have no definitive position about Gardasil beyond being against it being mandated.

I do think Merck’s marketing has raised serious questions from the beginning, as the Rothmans discussed in JAMA a couple of years ago.

Some of my own students go to health services and return with an “info sheet” about the vaccine that is dated three months after Gardasil was approved. From that, and what I have heard, I do not believe either benefits or risks are appropriately conveyed to them.

]]> By: John http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-480504 John Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:19:23 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-480504 My daughter did get the Gardasil vaccination, because at the time, we trusted our doctor and thought the risks were minimal. I thought getting our daughter immunized was what a responsible parent did. It's completely obvious to me now that if Gardasil was something other than a vaccine, it would be off the market already. The FDA and CDC think they can't afford to pull the product; it would then open themselves up to more scrutiny regarding other vaccines. So, we don't look forward to any help from mainstream medecine to help our daughter, after all, the government says all vaccines are safe (oh, and that your taxes won't go up). So, we will continue to work with the MD's that don't accept the status quo, the growing number of interested researchers, and other Gardasil parents to try to figure out how to make our daughters healthy again. My daughter did get the Gardasil vaccination, because at the time, we trusted our doctor and thought the risks were minimal. I thought getting our daughter immunized was what a responsible parent did.
It’s completely obvious to me now that if Gardasil was something other than a vaccine, it would be off the market already. The FDA and CDC think they can’t afford to pull the product; it would then open themselves up to more scrutiny regarding other vaccines. So, we don’t look forward to any help from mainstream medecine to help our daughter, after all, the government says all vaccines are safe (oh, and that your taxes won’t go up).
So, we will continue to work with the MD’s that don’t accept the status quo, the growing number of interested researchers, and other Gardasil parents to try to figure out how to make our daughters healthy again.

]]> By: pharmavet http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/little-women-talk-to-the-fda-about-gardasil/#comment-480490 pharmavet Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:48:32 +0000 http://www.pharmalot.com/?p=21943#comment-480490 Patrons, at least you didn't make the case for judicial bias. The judges in these cases were Special Masters. A judge can only become a Special Master if he/she has a long record of experience, integrity, fairness, and judicial ethics. I sensed no lack of due process in these cases, unless you have found one that I missed. Patrons, at least you didn’t make the case for judicial bias. The judges in these cases were Special Masters. A judge can only become a Special Master if he/she has a long record of experience, integrity, fairness, and judicial ethics. I sensed no lack of due process in these cases, unless you have found one that I missed.

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