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		<title>By: J.Cridland</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dave. I was on Vioxx for 3 years to the day when i collasped at home and was flown to Sydney and put on life support at Westmead hosp. I was away from my family with no money or personal items as i wasnt expected to make it thru the 1st night but i did and no one wants to know about me. I had every damaging side effort but the worst is that i have lost about 9 months of memories which no amount of money can replace.Because of Vioxx being put in the too hard basket, i am one of many who can say "Nobody cares"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dave. I was on Vioxx for 3 years to the day when i collasped at home and was flown to Sydney and put on life support at Westmead hosp. I was away from my family with no money or personal items as i wasnt expected to make it thru the 1st night but i did and no one wants to know about me. I had every damaging side effort but the worst is that i have lost about 9 months of memories which no amount of money can replace.Because of Vioxx being put in the too hard basket, i am one of many who can say &#8220;Nobody cares&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Marr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What none of you are looking at is the suffering of so many people that had heart attacks, while taking vioxx. some died, there families suffered pain and great expense.
I suffered two heart attacks after taking vioxx.
All I can see is Merck saying what a great pill Vioxx is. They pay Millions of Dollars out in America, but here in Australa they are fighting us and will not pay anything. I told the Merck board if the board went on Vioxx for six months and none of them had a Heart attack I would say it is a great pill.
Guess what I cannot get an answer from them, I even tried to get there media circus to have a pill, they will not try them either.
So my thinking is VIOXX is poison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What none of you are looking at is the suffering of so many people that had heart attacks, while taking vioxx. some died, there families suffered pain and great expense.<br />
I suffered two heart attacks after taking vioxx.<br />
All I can see is Merck saying what a great pill Vioxx is. They pay Millions of Dollars out in America, but here in Australa they are fighting us and will not pay anything. I told the Merck board if the board went on Vioxx for six months and none of them had a Heart attack I would say it is a great pill.<br />
Guess what I cannot get an answer from them, I even tried to get there media circus to have a pill, they will not try them either.<br />
So my thinking is VIOXX is poison</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin--Much thanks for your good and thorough post.  Very useful.

Re: the naproxen issue, this excerpt from FDA's 2001 warning to Merck related to what I assume were some of the same promotional approaches used in Australia:

"There are no adequate and well-controlled studies of naproxen that support your assertion that naproxen's transient inhibition of platelet aggregation is pharmocodynamically comparable to aspirin or clinically effective in decreasing the risk of MIs.  Therefore, your representation that naproxen prolongs bleeding time and inhibits platelets identically to aspirin is misleading, and minimizes the potential seriousness of this finding. As you know, the reason for the difference between Vioxx and naproxen has not been determined; it is also possible that Vioxx has pro-thrombotic properties."

I understand that Merck made considerable effort to find studies that providing evidence of naproxen's inhibition of thrombi to any degree approaching aspirin.  When I last heard anything, there were no such studies.  So the judge's comment that there was a "valid scientific basis" to the naproxen hypothesis surprised me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin&#8211;Much thanks for your good and thorough post.  Very useful.</p>
<p>Re: the naproxen issue, this excerpt from FDA&#8217;s 2001 warning to Merck related to what I assume were some of the same promotional approaches used in Australia:</p>
<p>&#8220;There are no adequate and well-controlled studies of naproxen that support your assertion that naproxen&#8217;s transient inhibition of platelet aggregation is pharmocodynamically comparable to aspirin or clinically effective in decreasing the risk of MIs.  Therefore, your representation that naproxen prolongs bleeding time and inhibits platelets identically to aspirin is misleading, and minimizes the potential seriousness of this finding. As you know, the reason for the difference between Vioxx and naproxen has not been determined; it is also possible that Vioxx has pro-thrombotic properties.&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand that Merck made considerable effort to find studies that providing evidence of naproxen&#8217;s inhibition of thrombi to any degree approaching aspirin.  When I last heard anything, there were no such studies.  So the judge&#8217;s comment that there was a &#8220;valid scientific basis&#8221; to the naproxen hypothesis surprised me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn Clothier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn Clothier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JiM, as I understand Justice Jessup's findings (on a limited reading and with no legal training), he's saying that the theory about naproxen being cardioprotective was a plausible one, but so was the possibility that Vioxx was increasing cardiac risk and that, as VIGOR's results threw up questions about Vioxx's safety, they should have been communicated to doctors. 

Peterson's compensation was not awarded out of his claims of negligence. The judge says "As to the negligence aspect, I have found that there are two respects in which the first respondent fell short of what was required in the reasonable discharge of its duty of care: its failure to warn the applicant’s doctor of the signal of potential cardiovascular risk which arose in March 2000, and the emphasis given by its sales representatives to the safety of Vioxx in their discussions with the doctor." However, he goes on to say that, in Peterson's particular case, he is not convinced that Peterson would have ceased taking Vioxx had he and his doctor been warned.

Peterson was awarded compensation under Australia's Trade Practices Act. The judge found that Vioxx was not fit for the purpose it was being sold. I haven't yet been able to work out whether Justice Jessup considers that it was always "unfit for purpose" because of the inherent (if unknown) cardiovascular risk, or whether it became unfit when the VIGOR results were known by MSD and not communicated, safety having been a previous selling feature. 

As to your comment about pre-emption, the TGA derives its authority from the Therapeutic Goods Act. (Here, if you're very interested: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Management.nsf/current/bytitle/67A98FD37A0824C8CA256F710006F162?OpenDocument&#38;mostrecent=1) There are clauses in it about the conferring of powers and duties in State law to Commonwealth officers, and also about conferring jurisdiction on the Federal courts, so I assume the balancing was all sorted out when the Act came into force, but I admit it's all a bit beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JiM, as I understand Justice Jessup&#8217;s findings (on a limited reading and with no legal training), he&#8217;s saying that the theory about naproxen being cardioprotective was a plausible one, but so was the possibility that Vioxx was increasing cardiac risk and that, as VIGOR&#8217;s results threw up questions about Vioxx&#8217;s safety, they should have been communicated to doctors. </p>
<p>Peterson&#8217;s compensation was not awarded out of his claims of negligence. The judge says &#8220;As to the negligence aspect, I have found that there are two respects in which the first respondent fell short of what was required in the reasonable discharge of its duty of care: its failure to warn the applicant’s doctor of the signal of potential cardiovascular risk which arose in March 2000, and the emphasis given by its sales representatives to the safety of Vioxx in their discussions with the doctor.&#8221; However, he goes on to say that, in Peterson&#8217;s particular case, he is not convinced that Peterson would have ceased taking Vioxx had he and his doctor been warned.</p>
<p>Peterson was awarded compensation under Australia&#8217;s Trade Practices Act. The judge found that Vioxx was not fit for the purpose it was being sold. I haven&#8217;t yet been able to work out whether Justice Jessup considers that it was always &#8220;unfit for purpose&#8221; because of the inherent (if unknown) cardiovascular risk, or whether it became unfit when the VIGOR results were known by MSD and not communicated, safety having been a previous selling feature. </p>
<p>As to your comment about pre-emption, the TGA derives its authority from the Therapeutic Goods Act. (Here, if you&#8217;re very interested: <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Management.nsf/current/bytitle/67A98FD37A0824C8CA256F710006F162?OpenDocument&amp;mostrecent=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Management.nsf/current/bytitle/67A98FD37A0824C8CA256F710006F162?OpenDocument&amp;mostrecent=1</a>) There are clauses in it about the conferring of powers and duties in State law to Commonwealth officers, and also about conferring jurisdiction on the Federal courts, so I assume the balancing was all sorted out when the Act came into force, but I admit it&#8217;s all a bit beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, JiM. Honestly, I am a little road-weary, and only slowly digesting the decision -- but it is clear that the judge felt MSD's coonduct wasn't entirely &lt;i&gt;cricket&lt;/i&gt; -- on Vioxx®.

Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, JiM. Honestly, I am a little road-weary, and only slowly digesting the decision &#8212; but it is clear that the judge felt MSD&#8217;s coonduct wasn&#8217;t entirely <i>cricket</i> &#8212; on Vioxx®.</p>
<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/03/merck-loses-vioxx-case-in-australia/#comment-476215</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, you're right.  I was reversing applicant/repondent.  Here was an interesting bit from the decisions re: VIGOR--

" Although the results of that trial showed that there were, at a statistically significant level, more cardiovascular thrombotic events in patients in the Vioxx arm than in the naproxen arm, there was, and there remains, a valid scientific basis to suppose that naproxen, if taken conscientiously, was protective against such events to an extent about equivalent to the effect of aspirin."

As I've understood it, the last sentence was rejected as without evidence by FDA at the time.  So presumably Merck was able, finally, to dig up some supporting naproxen data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, you&#8217;re right.  I was reversing applicant/repondent.  Here was an interesting bit from the decisions re: VIGOR&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8221; Although the results of that trial showed that there were, at a statistically significant level, more cardiovascular thrombotic events in patients in the Vioxx arm than in the naproxen arm, there was, and there remains, a valid scientific basis to suppose that naproxen, if taken conscientiously, was protective against such events to an extent about equivalent to the effect of aspirin.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve understood it, the last sentence was rejected as without evidence by FDA at the time.  So presumably Merck was able, finally, to dig up some supporting naproxen data?</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, JiM, I think the judge is saying that LATER notices from Merck were adequate to rebut the negligence claims of Graeme Peterdon, but until late 2001 (well after VIGOR results had come in), Merck's (MSD's) silence in front of prescribing doctors, in Australia was "&lt;I&gt;misleading&lt;/I&gt;".

Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, JiM, I think the judge is saying that LATER notices from Merck were adequate to rebut the negligence claims of Graeme Peterdon, but until late 2001 (well after VIGOR results had come in), Merck&#8217;s (MSD&#8217;s) silence in front of prescribing doctors, in Australia was &#8220;<i>misleading</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Condor!

I note the following sentence especially: 

"Ultimately, they did come up with a form of advice which I have held to be sufficient for the purposes of the applicant’s negligence case."

So, despite spin to the contrary, and legal technicalities, the judge clearly believed there was sufficient evidence of negligence in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Condor!</p>
<p>I note the following sentence especially: </p>
<p>&#8220;Ultimately, they did come up with a form of advice which I have held to be sufficient for the purposes of the applicant’s negligence case.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, despite spin to the contrary, and legal technicalities, the judge clearly believed there was sufficient evidence of negligence in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Condor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in -- after a Saturday night on the town, and come to find a &lt;i&gt;great gift&lt;/i&gt; in my blog comment box -- JiM, a commenter has sourced the actual Australian Vioxx® findings.

You may read the &lt;a href="http://shearlingsplowed.blogspot.com/2010/03/full-text-findings-of-australian-trial.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;full 100 plus pages, right here&lt;/a&gt; (courtesy the keen eyes of &lt;b&gt;Robyn Clothier&lt;/b&gt;, in my comments!), but I'll quote just a little of finding 904:

". . . .&lt;i&gt;the misleading conduct was constituted by the failure to draw to the attention of doctors and other health care professionals the cardiovascular risk message that emerged from VIGOR. &lt;b&gt;The respondents [Merck and MSD Australia] criticised the applicant [Graeme Peterson] for not having articulated the terms that any such advice would embody. Not having done anything, however, they are in no position to make that criticism&lt;/b&gt;. Ultimately, they did come up with a form of advice which I have held to be sufficient for the purposes of the applicant’s negligence case. But before that occurred, MSDA’s failure to provide any qualification to what was then contained in the Product Information did, for the reasons I have given, &lt;b&gt;amount to misleading conduct&lt;/b&gt;. . . ."

G'night, all -- I am spent -- will try to comment on all the intersting posts and developments here on Pharmalot, after Sunday breakfast, and of course, MUCH more coffee!

Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in &#8212; after a Saturday night on the town, and come to find a <i>great gift</i> in my blog comment box &#8212; JiM, a commenter has sourced the actual Australian Vioxx® findings.</p>
<p>You may read the <a href="http://shearlingsplowed.blogspot.com/2010/03/full-text-findings-of-australian-trial.html" rel="nofollow">full 100 plus pages, right here</a> (courtesy the keen eyes of <b>Robyn Clothier</b>, in my comments!), but I&#8217;ll quote just a little of finding 904:</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . .<i>the misleading conduct was constituted by the failure to draw to the attention of doctors and other health care professionals the cardiovascular risk message that emerged from VIGOR. <b>The respondents [Merck and MSD Australia] criticised the applicant [Graeme Peterson] for not having articulated the terms that any such advice would embody. Not having done anything, however, they are in no position to make that criticism</b>. Ultimately, they did come up with a form of advice which I have held to be sufficient for the purposes of the applicant’s negligence case. But before that occurred, MSDA’s failure to provide any qualification to what was then contained in the Product Information did, for the reasons I have given, <b>amount to misleading conduct</b>. . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>G&#8217;night, all &#8212; I am spent &#8212; will try to comment on all the intersting posts and developments here on Pharmalot, after Sunday breakfast, and of course, MUCH more coffee!</p>
<p>Namaste</i></p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This item also interesting about a fake peer-reviewed Australian journal extolling Vioxx.

 http://www.theheart.org/article/966827.do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This item also interesting about a fake peer-reviewed Australian journal extolling Vioxx.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.theheart.org/article/966827.do" rel="nofollow">http://www.theheart.org/article/966827.do</a></p>
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