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	<title>Comments on: J&#038;J Pays $81M Over Off Label Marketing Charges</title>
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		<title>By: Grandfather</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-562086</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 00:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if Peter hadn't caught the wolf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if Peter hadn&#8217;t caught the wolf?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-562001</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 20:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently take two prescription drugs, both in off-label indications.  Both have significantly improved my QOL, and I know that in at least one case the manufacturer paid a very large fine for promoting the drug in the indication for which I use it.

All in all I agree with the fine, but its pretty hard for me to work up a lot of moral outrage over something I ultimately benefited from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently take two prescription drugs, both in off-label indications.  Both have significantly improved my QOL, and I know that in at least one case the manufacturer paid a very large fine for promoting the drug in the indication for which I use it.</p>
<p>All in all I agree with the fine, but its pretty hard for me to work up a lot of moral outrage over something I ultimately benefited from.</p>
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		<title>By: rep</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-561955</link>
		<dc:creator>rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worse yet, most will still probably pay for generic doxepin, instead of the brand,  and not support the company that actually did the research they demanded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse yet, most will still probably pay for generic doxepin, instead of the brand,  and not support the company that actually did the research they demanded.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-561951</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure there's a point to what rep writes.  I just don't follow what it is.

But here's another scenario.  If gabapentin was ever shown actually to be useful for bipolar disorder--rather than the horse manure put out by WL that kept who knows how many pts from getting genuinely efficacious treatment--it would probably be worth some price increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a point to what rep writes.  I just don&#8217;t follow what it is.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s another scenario.  If gabapentin was ever shown actually to be useful for bipolar disorder&#8211;rather than the horse manure put out by WL that kept who knows how many pts from getting genuinely efficacious treatment&#8211;it would probably be worth some price increase.</p>
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		<title>By: rep</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-561947</link>
		<dc:creator>rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doxepin (generic antidepressant), used for years for sleep off label was recently REBRANDED and officially approved for sleep.  I'm sure the idiots on this blog will complain that the penny they used to pay now costs a dollar again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doxepin (generic antidepressant), used for years for sleep off label was recently REBRANDED and officially approved for sleep.  I&#8217;m sure the idiots on this blog will complain that the penny they used to pay now costs a dollar again.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil's Ad writes: "I DO want to know all the options for improving and saving lives when it comes to my life and those of loved ones. I EXPECT my doctor to know the latest and greatest on how drugs can make a difference. It does seem self-serving when that information comes from a drug rep, but should that make it illegal?"

I certainly follow the argument.  But, yes, I do think it should be illegal for reps to promote unapproved uses.  The arguments that this is the only way docs will learn, etc. just don't counterbalance the downside.

That said, there are obviously degrees of malfeasance in this arena.  Paying docs to rx for off-label, creating indications where there is zilch data, suppressing internal studies that actually show harm from such use, etc., add to the heinousness quotient, needless to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s Ad writes: &#8220;I DO want to know all the options for improving and saving lives when it comes to my life and those of loved ones. I EXPECT my doctor to know the latest and greatest on how drugs can make a difference. It does seem self-serving when that information comes from a drug rep, but should that make it illegal?&#8221;</p>
<p>I certainly follow the argument.  But, yes, I do think it should be illegal for reps to promote unapproved uses.  The arguments that this is the only way docs will learn, etc. just don&#8217;t counterbalance the downside.</p>
<p>That said, there are obviously degrees of malfeasance in this arena.  Paying docs to rx for off-label, creating indications where there is zilch data, suppressing internal studies that actually show harm from such use, etc., add to the heinousness quotient, needless to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Points to Ponder:
1. So if a physician uses a drug based on published off-label use in a medical journal, is he or she open to penalties?  

2. If you were a suffering patient or had a loved one who has tried everything to improve their quality of life (or save their life) and your doctor suggested an off-label use which might work, would you say NO?  You would rather wait and hope that in years it would be in black and white in the P.I. (Package Inset)? 

3. As a patient, using a drug off-label and you receive a call that the doctor stating to stop using it but you FINALLY found something that works, would you stop?

I am not in favor of out-right promotion of an off-label use, especially when it includes a small trial of 12 patients and a monkey.  However, as a person, who is actively involved in my health, I DO want to know all the options for improving and saving lives when it comes to my life and those of loved ones. I EXPECT my doctor to know the latest and greatest on how drugs can make a difference.  It does seem self-serving when that information comes from a drug rep, but should that make it illegal?  How many doctors spend their free time actually keeping up on the latest medical news or do they rely on others to give it to them.  How many doctors even know the specialists they refer to and sit down on their own dime, and personal time learning what is being seen in each others's practice?
 
Anyone want to talk about actual examples when approvals followed market usage by years, even a decade? How many patients were thankful they had access to an "off-label" drug during that time.  

I think the govenment has found another way to bring in the revenue from those, "greedy drug companies".  God help us all when more money goes into the legal profession and gov't pockets instead of R&#38;D.  

Yes, I am a former drug representative of 12 years. Yes, I have seen abuse in the industry. AND Yes, I do believe there are companies and people, who want to make a difference in the lives of others.  Keep an open mind and hope others are open when you are in need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Points to Ponder:<br />
1. So if a physician uses a drug based on published off-label use in a medical journal, is he or she open to penalties?  </p>
<p>2. If you were a suffering patient or had a loved one who has tried everything to improve their quality of life (or save their life) and your doctor suggested an off-label use which might work, would you say NO?  You would rather wait and hope that in years it would be in black and white in the P.I. (Package Inset)? </p>
<p>3. As a patient, using a drug off-label and you receive a call that the doctor stating to stop using it but you FINALLY found something that works, would you stop?</p>
<p>I am not in favor of out-right promotion of an off-label use, especially when it includes a small trial of 12 patients and a monkey.  However, as a person, who is actively involved in my health, I DO want to know all the options for improving and saving lives when it comes to my life and those of loved ones. I EXPECT my doctor to know the latest and greatest on how drugs can make a difference.  It does seem self-serving when that information comes from a drug rep, but should that make it illegal?  How many doctors spend their free time actually keeping up on the latest medical news or do they rely on others to give it to them.  How many doctors even know the specialists they refer to and sit down on their own dime, and personal time learning what is being seen in each others&#8217;s practice?</p>
<p>Anyone want to talk about actual examples when approvals followed market usage by years, even a decade? How many patients were thankful they had access to an &#8220;off-label&#8221; drug during that time.  </p>
<p>I think the govenment has found another way to bring in the revenue from those, &#8220;greedy drug companies&#8221;.  God help us all when more money goes into the legal profession and gov&#8217;t pockets instead of R&amp;D.  </p>
<p>Yes, I am a former drug representative of 12 years. Yes, I have seen abuse in the industry. AND Yes, I do believe there are companies and people, who want to make a difference in the lives of others.  Keep an open mind and hope others are open when you are in need.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting picture with this headline, Ed.

MB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting picture with this headline, Ed.</p>
<p>MB</p>
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		<title>By: M. Black</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/04/jj-pays-81m-over-off-label-marketing-charges/#comment-495973</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then people wonder why there is a lack of trust between industry and the public.

For the love of [God], $81M NOT ENOUGH.

MB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then people wonder why there is a lack of trust between industry and the public.</p>
<p>For the love of [God], $81M NOT ENOUGH.</p>
<p>MB</p>
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		<title>By: Former SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the penalty is not harsh enough. It does not fit the “crime.” There is no accountability for the actions of the executives and the management team that allowed the off-label promotion to take place just to push more drug use for more money in their pockets. Until the decision-makers are held responsible, face personal fines, face criminal charges and fines, these pharma practices will continue unabated. let’s see, I can make $10 billion, but I have to pat $520 million in fines and admit no wrongdoing. My net profit is $9.5 billion and this is good business. Nevermind that thousadns of people were harmed by my actions, I’m rich! besides, the sahareholders pay the fine and I laugh all the way to the bank. Educated crooks lead to a corrupt industry. Wall Street is a perfect example!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the penalty is not harsh enough. It does not fit the “crime.” There is no accountability for the actions of the executives and the management team that allowed the off-label promotion to take place just to push more drug use for more money in their pockets. Until the decision-makers are held responsible, face personal fines, face criminal charges and fines, these pharma practices will continue unabated. let’s see, I can make $10 billion, but I have to pat $520 million in fines and admit no wrongdoing. My net profit is $9.5 billion and this is good business. Nevermind that thousadns of people were harmed by my actions, I’m rich! besides, the sahareholders pay the fine and I laugh all the way to the bank. Educated crooks lead to a corrupt industry. Wall Street is a perfect example!</p>
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