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	<title>Comments on: Australian Parents &#8216;Pimp&#8217; Their Kids For Flu Trial?</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Pickard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Pickard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 14:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, when Dr Andrew Wakefield was struck off in the UK recently, one of the reasons was that he 'bribed' kids by offering them £5 to do something that the kids' parents wanted anyway.

If he had been doing a trial to prove vaccine safety he would still be able to work in the UK.  But as he found that vaccines are maybe not as safe as the drug companies claim he gets the boot.

Same thing happened with the Australian doctor that first said thalidomide caused birth defects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, when Dr Andrew Wakefield was struck off in the UK recently, one of the reasons was that he &#8216;bribed&#8217; kids by offering them £5 to do something that the kids&#8217; parents wanted anyway.</p>
<p>If he had been doing a trial to prove vaccine safety he would still be able to work in the UK.  But as he found that vaccines are maybe not as safe as the drug companies claim he gets the boot.</p>
<p>Same thing happened with the Australian doctor that first said thalidomide caused birth defects.</p>
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		<title>By: Just ME in T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just ME in T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 09:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Babies are used as guinea pigs?
Our babies and children are full of poisons given to them by government agencies
We are killing our children and all in the name of medical science!

Shame on those who like JUDAS sell the ones they purport to love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Babies are used as guinea pigs?<br />
Our babies and children are full of poisons given to them by government agencies<br />
We are killing our children and all in the name of medical science!</p>
<p>Shame on those who like JUDAS sell the ones they purport to love!</p>
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		<title>By: harpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>harpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry, JaT. I should've thought a bit more before striking out. and perhaps done some more research. the whole article just hit me wrong and I reacted before reflecting. mea culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, JaT. I should&#8217;ve thought a bit more before striking out. and perhaps done some more research. the whole article just hit me wrong and I reacted before reflecting. mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: patrons99</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrons99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 04:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh -

A transcript of a talk given in October 2007, by Ian R. Crane, who describes himself as “a student of the Ancient Traditions and the passage of Ancient Wisdom”, provides a very interesting overview of the origin homeopathy and natural medicine, along with a description of the distinctly inglorious origins of Codex Alimentarius. 

http://xcodex.wikidot.com/iancranelecture-en

To me, Codex is a predictable biproduct of Western (xenobiotic) medicine. No, I don’t agree that natural products should be regulated by FDA. FDA is itself another predictable biproduct of Western (xenobiotic) medicine.

'Every time a Shaman dies, it's as if a library burned down.'

“...and what he [Mark Plotkin, PhD] realised was that these guys had medicines, natural medicines, natural potions that they were mixing together that basically cured their diseases and their illnesses and they really, you know, had a very long-life expectancy.”

"...he [the Shaman] said "Well the [American] missionaries told us that to use our natural medicines is the work of the devil and that we have to use these bottled medicines."

In a way, what happened to the tribes in the Amazon Rain Forest can be analogized to what is happening to us today, globally. If Codex is implemented, Pharma and FDA will basically tell us to use ONLY their bottled medicines and that our natural medicines are the "work of the devil".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh -</p>
<p>A transcript of a talk given in October 2007, by Ian R. Crane, who describes himself as “a student of the Ancient Traditions and the passage of Ancient Wisdom”, provides a very interesting overview of the origin homeopathy and natural medicine, along with a description of the distinctly inglorious origins of Codex Alimentarius. </p>
<p><a href="http://xcodex.wikidot.com/iancranelecture-en" rel="nofollow">http://xcodex.wikidot.com/iancranelecture-en</a></p>
<p>To me, Codex is a predictable biproduct of Western (xenobiotic) medicine. No, I don’t agree that natural products should be regulated by FDA. FDA is itself another predictable biproduct of Western (xenobiotic) medicine.</p>
<p>&#8216;Every time a Shaman dies, it&#8217;s as if a library burned down.&#8217;</p>
<p>“&#8230;and what he [Mark Plotkin, PhD] realised was that these guys had medicines, natural medicines, natural potions that they were mixing together that basically cured their diseases and their illnesses and they really, you know, had a very long-life expectancy.”</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;he [the Shaman] said &#8220;Well the [American] missionaries told us that to use our natural medicines is the work of the devil and that we have to use these bottled medicines.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a way, what happened to the tribes in the Amazon Rain Forest can be analogized to what is happening to us today, globally. If Codex is implemented, Pharma and FDA will basically tell us to use ONLY their bottled medicines and that our natural medicines are the &#8220;work of the devil&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/05/australian-parents-pimp-their-kids-for-flu-trial/#comment-501402</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrons, many of our drugs today come from these natural products.  Some of the natural products have toxicities too, thus why FDA should regulate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrons, many of our drugs today come from these natural products.  Some of the natural products have toxicities too, thus why FDA should regulate them.</p>
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		<title>By: patrons99</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/05/australian-parents-pimp-their-kids-for-flu-trial/#comment-501388</link>
		<dc:creator>patrons99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd be willing to wager that Pharma and their various cronies push VERY hard for mandated pandemic "flu" jabs this year. They can't afford to lose on their investment ($$$) this time around...not that they lost any last year. They will point to ghostwritten studies showing effectiveness and "safety". Then they will use public FEAR of pandemics and persuasion ($$$) to gain government "endorsements" for mandated jabs, worldwide. Two worlds are about to collide, natural health and xenobiotic "health". Can't you see it coming?

A speech titled “Will the Law Protect Health Freedom” by Jonathan Emord, Esq. in October 2009, addresses a VERY important topic which directly affects us all.

http://www.emord.com/media/PDF/Emord_Jonathan_-_Will_the_Law_Protect_Health_Freedom.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be willing to wager that Pharma and their various cronies push VERY hard for mandated pandemic &#8220;flu&#8221; jabs this year. They can&#8217;t afford to lose on their investment ($$$) this time around&#8230;not that they lost any last year. They will point to ghostwritten studies showing effectiveness and &#8220;safety&#8221;. Then they will use public FEAR of pandemics and persuasion ($$$) to gain government &#8220;endorsements&#8221; for mandated jabs, worldwide. Two worlds are about to collide, natural health and xenobiotic &#8220;health&#8221;. Can&#8217;t you see it coming?</p>
<p>A speech titled “Will the Law Protect Health Freedom” by Jonathan Emord, Esq. in October 2009, addresses a VERY important topic which directly affects us all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emord.com/media/PDF/Emord_Jonathan_-_Will_the_Law_Protect_Health_Freedom.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.emord.com/media/PDF/Emord_Jonathan_-_Will_the_Law_Protect_Health_Freedom.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: JaT</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/05/australian-parents-pimp-their-kids-for-flu-trial/#comment-501380</link>
		<dc:creator>JaT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 23:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Former, I am on a long camping trip is all. Not miserable in my new situation. You do what you can with what you have. Though the transition process stinks. My situation probably isn't all that different from the people who are losing their jobs. It's a relief when it's over no matter where you land.

I wonder if the people enrolling their kids these in studies have all the latest gadgets and 500 satellite tv channels. Perspective.

Harpy, didn't mean to offend you. No Harm - No Foul. I do know that boat.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Former, I am on a long camping trip is all. Not miserable in my new situation. You do what you can with what you have. Though the transition process stinks. My situation probably isn&#8217;t all that different from the people who are losing their jobs. It&#8217;s a relief when it&#8217;s over no matter where you land.</p>
<p>I wonder if the people enrolling their kids these in studies have all the latest gadgets and 500 satellite tv channels. Perspective.</p>
<p>Harpy, didn&#8217;t mean to offend you. No Harm - No Foul. I do know that boat.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Former Pharma Marketing Director</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/05/australian-parents-pimp-their-kids-for-flu-trial/#comment-501357</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Pharma Marketing Director</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Patrons.  I particularly like your comment on "Study Buddies"

JaT, I am sorry about your predicament. Some people in Pharma will just say, well be thankful you are alive.  My response to them would be, alive for what?  To watch these unspeakable cruelties being heaped upon innocent people, suffer the torture of trying to figure out on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis where the money is going to come from to extend your life a bit longer?  What life is being extended anyway?  Whose definition of a life?  If only people would stop and think.....  

I am pretty much coming to the conclusion that much of what we need to be healthy and stay healthy is around us and free - for now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Patrons.  I particularly like your comment on &#8220;Study Buddies&#8221;</p>
<p>JaT, I am sorry about your predicament. Some people in Pharma will just say, well be thankful you are alive.  My response to them would be, alive for what?  To watch these unspeakable cruelties being heaped upon innocent people, suffer the torture of trying to figure out on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis where the money is going to come from to extend your life a bit longer?  What life is being extended anyway?  Whose definition of a life?  If only people would stop and think&#8230;..  </p>
<p>I am pretty much coming to the conclusion that much of what we need to be healthy and stay healthy is around us and free - for now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: patrons99</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrons99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh -

I beg to differ. The book relates to the nearly polar opposite parallel health paradigms: natural versus xenobiotic. Using kids as "guinea pigs" for pharma's latest portfolio of drugs and jabs, with or without their parent's consent, is outrageous. I'd love to see the informed consent that provided with the H1N1 jab. It is the beginning of a pathologically co-dependent relationship between pharma and their "study buddies". I'm sure that the money is "good". In a way, though, it's "blood money". It's business as usual to pharma.

It would certainly be worth asking whether this year's H1N1 vaccines have aluminum adjuvants? Why bother asking? Aluminum adjuvants have been shown to be neurotoxic. Do this year's H1N1 vaccines come in multidose vials with thimerosal, an organomercurial preservative? Aluminum has been identified in neurofibrillary tangles from post mortem brain specimens in Alzheimer's patients. How does it get there?

I hope that these Australian study subjects are educating themselves thoroughly as to these questions. Let's try to get a copy of the informed consent for study participation.

Over the last century Pharma has sought to restrict, if not actually eliminate, natural health practices globally, so that they have a constant supply of generally sickly, chronically-ill, malnourished, and debilitated customers for their toxic cocktails.

Here's a fairly recent example. There are hundreds of such examples.

http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2010/01/fdas-new-warning-on-atypical.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh -</p>
<p>I beg to differ. The book relates to the nearly polar opposite parallel health paradigms: natural versus xenobiotic. Using kids as &#8220;guinea pigs&#8221; for pharma&#8217;s latest portfolio of drugs and jabs, with or without their parent&#8217;s consent, is outrageous. I&#8217;d love to see the informed consent that provided with the H1N1 jab. It is the beginning of a pathologically co-dependent relationship between pharma and their &#8220;study buddies&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure that the money is &#8220;good&#8221;. In a way, though, it&#8217;s &#8220;blood money&#8221;. It&#8217;s business as usual to pharma.</p>
<p>It would certainly be worth asking whether this year&#8217;s H1N1 vaccines have aluminum adjuvants? Why bother asking? Aluminum adjuvants have been shown to be neurotoxic. Do this year&#8217;s H1N1 vaccines come in multidose vials with thimerosal, an organomercurial preservative? Aluminum has been identified in neurofibrillary tangles from post mortem brain specimens in Alzheimer&#8217;s patients. How does it get there?</p>
<p>I hope that these Australian study subjects are educating themselves thoroughly as to these questions. Let&#8217;s try to get a copy of the informed consent for study participation.</p>
<p>Over the last century Pharma has sought to restrict, if not actually eliminate, natural health practices globally, so that they have a constant supply of generally sickly, chronically-ill, malnourished, and debilitated customers for their toxic cocktails.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a fairly recent example. There are hundreds of such examples.</p>
<p><a href="http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2010/01/fdas-new-warning-on-atypical.html" rel="nofollow">http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2010/01/fdas-new-warning-on-atypical.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 17:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrons....comparing aborigines health maintenance and heavily populated city's health has nothing to do with pharmaceutics.  It is more about lifestyle and interactions between groups (aborigines don't intermingle a whole lot since they are isolated).  And I am not sure how the Shaman's Apprentice has anything to do with this...as the book is centered around ethnobotany and the usage of those plants in making medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrons&#8230;.comparing aborigines health maintenance and heavily populated city&#8217;s health has nothing to do with pharmaceutics.  It is more about lifestyle and interactions between groups (aborigines don&#8217;t intermingle a whole lot since they are isolated).  And I am not sure how the Shaman&#8217;s Apprentice has anything to do with this&#8230;as the book is centered around ethnobotany and the usage of those plants in making medicine.</p>
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