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	<title>Comments on: Should Americans Use Meds Approved In Europe First?</title>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/07/should-americans-use-meds-approved-in-europe-first/#comment-518405</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thalidomide was definitely an issue, but metformin was available for years in the rest of the world before the U.S. - now it is the cornerstone of type 2 diabetes treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thalidomide was definitely an issue, but metformin was available for years in the rest of the world before the U.S. - now it is the cornerstone of type 2 diabetes treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Abshear</title>
		<link>http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/07/should-americans-use-meds-approved-in-europe-first/#comment-517327</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Abshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my understanding that many drugs are approved in Europe before the U.S., anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my understanding that many drugs are approved in Europe before the U.S., anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certd: two words - read above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certd: two words - read above.</p>
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		<title>By: pharmavet</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharmavet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys. Great blogging with you.  Gone fishin' for awhile.

Ed, keep up the good work.

PV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys. Great blogging with you.  Gone fishin&#8217; for awhile.</p>
<p>Ed, keep up the good work.</p>
<p>PV</p>
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		<title>By: Certd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Certd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word:
thalidomide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word:<br />
thalidomide</p>
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		<title>By: Justice in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back up thread, I think I got Salmon's argument backward. Sorry about that.

I agree with Christopher that impact of FDA timing--within certain limits--is pretty hard to quantify re: both good and bad results for pts.  And, yeah, each side finds what it needs.  (Or, in lieu of data, finds stuff to make up--see again, Hilts...)

Also agree that joint ventures, not competitive ones, would be very good.  My understanding (admittedldy based on the reporting of Gardiner Harris here) is that there used to be more of that before PDUFDA steered most of CDER's funding to new drug review--that is, using collaborative data bases, and so on.  

I understand that some of that has been restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back up thread, I think I got Salmon&#8217;s argument backward. Sorry about that.</p>
<p>I agree with Christopher that impact of FDA timing&#8211;within certain limits&#8211;is pretty hard to quantify re: both good and bad results for pts.  And, yeah, each side finds what it needs.  (Or, in lieu of data, finds stuff to make up&#8211;see again, Hilts&#8230;)</p>
<p>Also agree that joint ventures, not competitive ones, would be very good.  My understanding (admittedldy based on the reporting of Gardiner Harris here) is that there used to be more of that before PDUFDA steered most of CDER&#8217;s funding to new drug review&#8211;that is, using collaborative data bases, and so on.  </p>
<p>I understand that some of that has been restored.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have said "there are some that would argue your(PV's) assertion that pharmaceutical innovation..." That omission made a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have said &#8220;there are some that would argue your(PV&#8217;s) assertion that pharmaceutical innovation&#8230;&#8221; That omission made a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks PV for the reply. There are some that would argue that pharmaceutical innovation in Europe has fallen behind that of the US, but probably few to none would argue that overall the rate of progress is disppointing. (Try this link for an interesting discussion on EU:US rates http://tinyurl.com/29ekyem)

Fixing the FDA is important but if resources are at the heart of it - including their availability and effective deployment - perhaps more could be achieved through cooperation. 

I'm not supporting this hypothesis but it makes for an interesting discussion; I said at the beginning it won't work for political reasons. However, if beyond resources, the quality of safety evaluations pre and post-marketing continue to be important, perhaps two heads would be better than one, so to speak.

Whether harmonization helped can also be debated, but regardless of whether more drugs were approved faster, the oversight made possible by a collective review may well have improved the quality of evaluations and that is what maybe the prize here, not quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks PV for the reply. There are some that would argue that pharmaceutical innovation in Europe has fallen behind that of the US, but probably few to none would argue that overall the rate of progress is disppointing. (Try this link for an interesting discussion on EU:US rates <a href="http://tinyurl.com/29ekyem" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/29ekyem</a>)</p>
<p>Fixing the FDA is important but if resources are at the heart of it - including their availability and effective deployment - perhaps more could be achieved through cooperation. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not supporting this hypothesis but it makes for an interesting discussion; I said at the beginning it won&#8217;t work for political reasons. However, if beyond resources, the quality of safety evaluations pre and post-marketing continue to be important, perhaps two heads would be better than one, so to speak.</p>
<p>Whether harmonization helped can also be debated, but regardless of whether more drugs were approved faster, the oversight made possible by a collective review may well have improved the quality of evaluations and that is what maybe the prize here, not quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: pharmavet</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharmavet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, to address your point, it used to be fairly standard for drugs to be approved in Europe before US.  However, the engine of pharmaceutical innovation in Europe has greatly slowed over the past 20 years to where it has practically ground to a halt in both hemispheres.  If we wait for them or vice verse, it will turn into an endless waiting game.  On the contrary both hemispheres need to figure out how they can both greatly accelerate the pace of development and approval so that we can get drugs for unmet medical needs and get more life-saving drugs to patients much more quickly.

It is appalling that even under PDUFA the FDA has consistently failed to meet its time-critical obligations to get NDA's approved more quickly.  I would prefer to concentrate on fixing the FDA to get the NDA's cranked out more quickly and not worry about what EU does.  As far as I'm concerned I think way too many years were wasted on the the "Harmonization" proceess, essentially a busy work exercise that diverted attention from  the regulatory mission of actually approving drugs.  Prior to ICH, the rate of drug approvals was actually faster via the individual country route.  To me it was a problem that didn't need fixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, to address your point, it used to be fairly standard for drugs to be approved in Europe before US.  However, the engine of pharmaceutical innovation in Europe has greatly slowed over the past 20 years to where it has practically ground to a halt in both hemispheres.  If we wait for them or vice verse, it will turn into an endless waiting game.  On the contrary both hemispheres need to figure out how they can both greatly accelerate the pace of development and approval so that we can get drugs for unmet medical needs and get more life-saving drugs to patients much more quickly.</p>
<p>It is appalling that even under PDUFA the FDA has consistently failed to meet its time-critical obligations to get NDA&#8217;s approved more quickly.  I would prefer to concentrate on fixing the FDA to get the NDA&#8217;s cranked out more quickly and not worry about what EU does.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned I think way too many years were wasted on the the &#8220;Harmonization&#8221; proceess, essentially a busy work exercise that diverted attention from  the regulatory mission of actually approving drugs.  Prior to ICH, the rate of drug approvals was actually faster via the individual country route.  To me it was a problem that didn&#8217;t need fixing.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignoring the rather myopic 'Europe's leftovers' comment, I'm wondering what PV's answer has to do with the question which concerns approval of new compounds, not the marketing of existing ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignoring the rather myopic &#8216;Europe&#8217;s leftovers&#8217; comment, I&#8217;m wondering what PV&#8217;s answer has to do with the question which concerns approval of new compounds, not the marketing of existing ones.</p>
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